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Pro's and Cons of living and teaching in Hong Kong
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Joshua2006



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perilla wrote:

I think it also depends somewhat on how long you've been here. I know plenty of people who were fairly enthusiastic when they arrived, but in many (perhaps most) cases this enthusiasm dwindled over the years as the novelty wore off and the negative aspects of HK began to creep in. .

But isn't that the same anywhere you move to? I don't think only HK can be blamed for that.....
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joshua2006 wrote:
Perilla wrote:

I think it also depends somewhat on how long you've been here. I know plenty of people who were fairly enthusiastic when they arrived, but in many (perhaps most) cases this enthusiasm dwindled over the years as the novelty wore off and the negative aspects of HK began to creep in. .

But isn't that the same anywhere you move to? I don't think only HK can be blamed for that.....


I wasn't blaming HK ... I meant that early-days enthusiasm explains some of the pro-HK comments.
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From Korea to China.



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RiverMystic wrote:
I know many people who have come here and left in short time because they could not handle living here. Convenience and speed are valued above human connection and simple enjoyment of life. This can create an extreme sense of disconnection and alienation from people. Many workplaces mirror these values, with human beings being treated as cogs in a machine without respect for the needs or individual gifts and merits. This includes many, but not all, schools. Some schools are nice places to work. But you really need to select carefully, because if you don�t you can end up in a really hellish place. Confucian hierchical values mean that workers have to kowtow to those senior to them, leading to all kinds of power abuses.

My wife was one of the people who was completely unable to stand HK. She found it impossible to even talk to people here, let alone make friends. She became deeply depressed and hated the place with a passion. I have to agree with her that HK is not a friendly city, and if you don�t have social connections at work you will have to join some social activity, otherwise you will most likely be completely isolated. It is virtually impossible to make eye contact with people here, let alone communicate with them in public paces. People are obsessed with their mobile devices, and completely disinterested in all those around them. Commercialisation of virtually every facet of life is what defines HK above all else. This is equally true of education, which is completely commoditised.


Sounds like you are describing South Korea. Seems the two cultures aren't that different. Hopefully HK will at least be a lot cleaner. As for interacting with others, if there hadn't been Itaewon in Seoul I couldn't have endured Korea for as long as I have. You need to step out of the culture one a week here to endure the place. Is there a similar Western expat area of Hong Kong with Western pubs where foreigners can meet up and relax once a week?
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From Korea to China.



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joshua2006 wrote:
I really don't agree with this at all....but then I only have 18 months of HK to comment on.

The locals are all friendly - I haven't met an 'unfriendly' one yet. Local restaurants and convenience stores all know me and whilst not being overly-friendly, all acknowledge me and my family when we walk by. McDonalds staff in my building just need to see me walk in and my coffee is ready before I get to the counter....

Local bus drivers are also friendly and the other people on the bus who I see every day are also nice - a genial greeting every morning. We don't start conversation, but pleasantries are exchanged.

Agreed - rent is high, but NET teachers bet paid accordingly and if you are able to live in small spaces, there are some nice places to be had for not that bad an amount of rent. However, we have bought our house, and I have to say that even that was a pleasant and easy experience and it is ALL done in English.

There are places where you can meet a lot of people and there are events where you will meet people too - one such example is the relatively new Hong Kong Pub Crawl on which I have met any number of people.

Transportation is easy and cheap.

Everything is a maximum of an hour and a half away - HK isn't any bigger.

Local food isn't anything special to me, but I know others who love it. Life gets cheap if you eat local.

Supermarkets, whilst not being overly cheap, will have nearly everything you want, and if that one doesn't, then the one over there will.

Shopping - the same as anywhere else in the world. Just more of it.

Taxis - not the cheapest but fast and everywhere and they usually don't try and make conversation with you which makes it even better.

Bottom line, HK is a great place to be. In 18 months neither me nor my wife have had any issues whatsoever. For her, a Korean, it was also a really easy move from Korea and she has found that she has a nice life here.....

I think, and I know this will cause issue, like anywhere else in the world, HK is what you make it and bend it to be in your favour.


It's good to read a positive post like this, as I would really like to move to HK. But I can understand the previous poster's position as well. At 18 months I used to love being in Korea, now I loathe the place. Everything about South Korea bothers me now. Now when I meet a relatively newcomer to Korea and they're all gungho about the place I stare at them in incomprehension. So I think maybe the same sort of thing happens everywhere, including HK. I'm just hoping that I'll enjoy my time in HK for a few years then, unlike my time in Korea, get out before all the negatives become overwhelming.

Anyway, I appreciate both of your perspectives.
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perilla wrote:
My opinion of HK runs quite close to RiverMystic's, so I won't bother reiterating his comments.

Yes, everything here is very convenient (that might be HK's favourite word) but that doesn't make it a jolly, friendly, happy-go-lucky place to live. Far from it. Generally speaking, levels of stress in this city are sky high; people are always in a rush; there is an obsession with money and savings; noisy, invasive infrastructure work is everywhere and continuous; air pollution is bad and getting worse; and all the while, people scurry from their aircon workplace to the aircon shopping mall to their aircon shoebox flat. OK, that's painting a pretty negative picture. Why, you might ask, am I here? HK has its plus points - the big ones IMO being work, food and personal safety. I get paid more here than I would if I returned to the UK (in fact, I'd probably be unemployed there) or just about anywhere else, and for now that justifies living here. But if I win the lottery I'm gone tomorrow.

HK is in many ways a fascinating place, but IMO you need time to enjoy it and that's a luxury most of us don't have. The weather and pollution also mitigate against going out exploring the place for about 5 or 6 months of the year. For the rich it's a different city, but even with money I'd choose fresh air somewhere else.


I stand by my post of a couple of years ago. But as the thread suggests some (or even all) of the negatives mentioned above don't seem to be a problem for new arrivals, and some people are happy here despite the various downsides. But personally, if I could take my current level of income with me I'd prefer to go back Korea.
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YujiKaido



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being the OP of this Thread. I can add some input now that I am in the inside and have almost lived in HK a year.

Hk is a lot better than my initial visit back in 2010. I enjoy taking the MTR and I moved last year to HK island to be closer to work. I kinda of miss Kowloon side as it more city and less trees here. The air quality is something I have experienced and I had gotten a lot more ill because of it and because I work with young children at work i suppose. Now that my contract is up, considering if I should stay or get a job in Japan. I have made good friends and still love my church The Vine in Wan Chai. I am however getting sick more here over 7 times to be exact with cold's flu's and stomach problems besides being healthy back in America with rarely even getting a cold.

Also the food selection of imports is amazing. I love being able to get things from the USA, Japan and Korea. That is one that weighs on my mind if I go to Japan. Also wanting to go home for a bit, if I do leave or stay, I need some fresh air and want to visit the countryside back home for a bit before I start again here or Japan.

One last thing having lived in Korea however I like HK better for its selection of goods and transportation but I never lived in Seoul, just in a smaller city like Daegu for 6 months.
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stumptowny



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Tokyo now. have been thinking about HK for work/life as the search for the holy grail (the place that has it all) is elusive. naturally, i read through this entire thread..

I tend to have a similar view of tokyo (not Japan in general) as RM has of HK. frank and honest (abrasive for the eternally optimistic)! in fact, while reading RM's bits about HK people, I was like... you should see tokyo!! it is here you realize the difference of politeness vs. friendliness. people here are completely self centered, on their pda, and no one looks at each other. no one. no eye contact. almost ever. women are HOT and totally indifferent except for shopping. in general, tokyo is allergic to smiling and eye contact. as a foreigner you have zero stigma/status that is shown outwardly though many people report it exists in the minds of japanese. you will never know it as it remains a buried thought in their minds..

still, after the first year of rough patchyness, I have, coming up on two years now, lowered my expectations to match the reality of things here.. mostly that relates to people and relationships. professionally they are anal to the tee, personally they are evasive, flaky, and terrible communicators. it is how they work... nothing bad if you are like minded.

but after lowering my expectations for people, I have found many other ways to stay happy. hobbies mainly and I take relationships for what they are.. stopped reading a lot into things..

like seoul's Itaewon, in tokyo there is roppongi. an area for nightlife and too get the latest STD from japanese girls who have been with the other white guys already (not my thing). there are also some english pubs that are more of the same. japanese fishing for free english speaking practice.

but its the same in tokyo, you will need your fix of whatever you need to get you by whether its expats or other hobbies. the tokyo people will put you in exactly the same place as seoul. or HK. there is a theme here..

think I'll take a vacation first to HK before considering a move...
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Japanology



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived 2 years in Seoul, 2 years in HK, and 2 years among Japanese People.

HK gets a big plus for living with the locals. You don't get that "you're a guest in our country" thing at all. This is a big one for me.

Otherwise, the same big Asian city things are the same with both advantages and disadvantages.
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