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rj



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

latefordinner wrote:
rj:
>I hear it used all the time, especially from older generations

Am I that old? I grew up with "right as rain", as well as "make hay while the sun shines" and... Maybe I am.


Well, I'm in my late 20's and I use it. Though I don't say it nearly as often as I hear it from others. I suppose I should clarify that by "older generarations" I was thinking in terms of people old enough to be my grandparents. No idea how old you are, but my grandparents (if they were alive) would all be in their 80's and 90's today. I have a lot of patients in their late 60's and up, they use it quite often when I ask how they are feeling.
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My grandmother says "right as rain", I think. She is 87 and lived thru the Depression, when nothing was right as rain. She also likes to say "lozzy-doodle" to express astonishment, "what the dickens" to express exasperation, and a host of others that I cant recall offhand.

I use the term "digs" but no one else I know does. Having lived in digs most of my adult life, I find it a handy word.

Where were we?
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Shaman



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another one from aniquity ran through my head in the early hours today.

"The bee's knees."

What would anyone find so spectacular about the patellas of a drone or queen bee? Would it possibly be a play on the word "fine"?

Shaman
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Shaman,

And - the cat's meow. 23 skidoo to you, fella. Hubba, hubba!

Regards,
John
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zorro



Joined: 05 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the dogs b***ocks....
whats so good about them???
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Justapirate



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 3:45 pm    Post subject: Digs... Reply with quote

'nice pad'......'nice digs' Not much more to it.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"the cat's pyjamas"
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just done what I should have done before and looked it up in the Shorter Oxford:
Quote:
gob /gQb/ n.2 dial. (chiefly north.) & slang.

M16. [Perh. f. Gael. & Ir. = beak, mouth. Sense 2 may be a different wd. See also GAB n.2 and cf. GOB n.1]

1 The mouth. M16.

2 = GAB n.2 2. L17.

Comb.: gobsmacked a. (slang) [f. the gesture of clapping a hand over the mouth] astounded, flabbergasted; speechless with amazement; gobstick (a) dial. a large spoon; (b) a device for freeing a hook from a fish�s mouth; (c) slang a clarinet; gob-stopper a large hard sweet for sucking; gobstruck a. (slang) = gobsmacked above.

The use of 'gob' for mouth is common also in Manchester - "Shut your gob!" is an often-used phrase.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some favorites of my parents' generation. I catch myself using them from time to time. Am I becoming my parents? Shocked

If you get to my neck of the woods, stop by for a cup of coffee.

High paying jobs in Mexico are as scarce as hen's teeth.

He's as useless as t�ts on a boar.

What's the matter? Cat got your tongue?

You ain't just a-whistlin' Dixie!

I'll take a rain check.

[The last two might be regional/country specific.]
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rj



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2004 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One I grew up with from my gran was "sitting in the catbird seat" or calling someone a catbird. Every once in a while I will hear someone say it, but it generally draws bunch of questioning looks.
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Shaman



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2004 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice additions, people. Cool Another just popped into my addled pate. It was a catch phrase of a cartoon character (Wally Gator, I think?).

"Heavens to Mergatroid."

Do they teach ESL/EFL in Mergatroid? Wink

Shaman
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2004 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Heavens to Mergatroid--good one.


Er, what is a catbird seat, or must i guess. Man/woman ready to pounce?

headscratchingly yrs

kh
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2004 10:30 pm    Post subject: Take me out to the ballgame Reply with quote

Dear khmerhit,
More than you ever wanted to know about "the catbird seat":

There really is an American bird called the catbird, a member of a group called the mimic thrushes that also includes the mockingbirds and thrashers, all of them�as their group name suggests�skilled at imitating other birds, animals, and even telephones and other noises. The American species is strictly speaking the grey catbird, which lays the most beautiful turquoise eggs. It�s called a catbird because one of its most impressive imitations is the mew of a cat.
Catbird seat (as it is usually written) usually appears in the fuller form in the catbird seat, meaning to be in an advantageous or prominent position, one of ease and favour. Its first appearance in print was in a famous short story of that title by James Thurber, published in the New Yorker on 14 November 1942:
In the halls, in the elevator, even in his own office, into which she romped now and then like a circus horse, she was constantly shouting these silly questions at him. �Are you lifting the oxcart out of the ditch? Are you tearing up the pea patch? Are you hollering down the rain barrel? Are you scraping around the bottom of the pickle barrel? Are you sitting in the catbird seat?� It was Joey Hart, one of Mr. Martin�s two assistants, who had explained what the gibberish meant. �She must be a Dodger fan,� he had said. �Red Barber announces the Dodger games over the radio and he uses those expressions�picked �em up down South.� Joey had gone on to explain one or two. �Tearing up the pea patch� meant going on a rampage; �sitting in the catbird seat� means sitting pretty, like a batter with three balls and no strikes on him. All the early examples are indeed associated with baseball, like this from the Middletown Times Herald in 1946: �On the other hand, should Munger beat Big Tex Hughson and the Red Sox, Dyer would be sitting in the catbird seat.� And Thurber is right to have his character say that the expression was popularised by the famous radio baseball commentator Walter Lanier �Red� Barber.
The comment about �down South�, however, was probably a guess based on Red Barber�s having been born in Columbus, Mississippi and having worked in Florida. Red Barber said in the Saturday Review in 1958 that he first heard it during a game of penny-ante poker while he was in Cincinnati, presumably sometime in the 1930s, and borrowed it for his radio broadcasts.
The basis for the expression is actually quite simple, I'm told. The phrase is said to derive from the habit of the catbird of sitting on the highest point it can find to deliver its song, thus suggesting an effortless superiority. Subscriber Dan Lufkin confirmed this in an e-mail: �If you lived in catbird country, as I do, you would instantly recognize the catbird seat as the highest point in your yard, from which a catbird�or its cousin, a mockingbird�begins loudly staking its territorial claim at first light, typically about 4:45 a.m. in the nesting season.�

Regards,
John
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rj



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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, excellent info! That's a much more elaborate explanation than I could have given!
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2004 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mergatroid ?

I always assumed it was "Murgatroyd" which is, I think, a proper name from the Emerald Isle.
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