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igorG
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Free as birds we are, ON FORUMS mostly or only. Some recent employment agreements state we aren't even allowed to participate on such discussions. Yes, not in the office, not on the streets and not here. Keep singing because you are probably just free for the large number of singers. Or, maybe, you are just too little bird.
Reply:Cite examples please, company names or locations are a plus on that. |
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dmocha
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: Things were the same in South Korea in the 1970s |
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Things were the same in South Korea. In the bad old days under President Park Chung Hee we knew which student in our class was given the duty of monitoring and reporting anything the regime didn't want discussed. This was when Time magazine came with redacted portions or whole pages carefully cut out. Phones were routinely tapped. All you had to do to test that was to insert "Yondei demo" [demonstration at Yonsei university] randomly in your international phone call to see how long it took for the connection to be cut by the army monitoring group.
There were more limited freedoms under President Chun Doo Hwan and the snitches were gone by the end of his time in office. These changes take a long time.
The CPC will rot from within but it's going to take time. You know what the game is before you go to China. You go to China by choice. If you don't like China leave. What's the point in biting the hand that feeds you? |
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champ
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Things were the same in South Korea in the 1970s |
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| dmocha wrote: |
| You know what the game is before you go to China. You go to China by choice. If you don't like China leave. What's the point in biting the hand that feeds you? |
That is what I call a no nonsense attitude.Respect!  |
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mrwslee003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Or, what is the point of biting the hand that plugs up your mouth
for saying anything critical?
Its boring to talk only complimentary things and nothing
critical, when most Fts are trained to do critical thinking.
How the heck are things going to improve? |
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igorG
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Things were the same in South Korea in the 1970s |
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| champ wrote: |
| dmocha wrote: |
| You know what the game is before you go to China. You go to China by choice. If you don't like China leave. What's the point in biting the hand that feeds you? |
That is what I call a no nonsense attitude.Respect! |
Biting the dust attitude  Who feeds who Where does the gold come from The point is that this filthy hand may be exposed and that the game may have to adjust, not just to local standards with local "characteristics". The point is that we may find out what hands are filthier. And, wouldn't you want to know your game better? Is this about China or some people that run it? I like China. I love a local whom i have married. I have two kids with her. We sure married and had the kids in Canada, because my wife did not want to go through the local system that abuses women. But we are here for the love of the country, not the love of its autoritarian and corrupt system. Who are you to tell us to leave???
Most professionals know what the game is when they are heading for mainland China. Agreeably, they go to China by choice, but before they come they should get a better picture of what the choice is. Obstructing will only mislead. Aren't the local employment agreements with their terms and conditions already misleading enough? Aren't the local representatives misleading enough?
Moreover, most professionals that have been here for a while know the game even better, although as this country changes so quickly and as it is becoming so anti foreign, the game is changing too.
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| Things were the same in South Korea. In the bad old days under President Park Chung Hee we knew which student in our class was given the duty of monitoring and reporting anything the regime didn't want discussed. This was when Time magazine came with redacted portions or whole pages carefully cut out. Phones were routinely tapped. All you had to do to test that was to insert "Yondei demo" [demonstration at Yonsei university] randomly in your international phone call to see how long it took for the connection to be cut by the army monitoring group. |
Unbelievable. This does not happen on mainland China. South Korea must be so much worse. |
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champ
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| I know how much you love China,Igor.Looking at your post,tears are rolling down my cheek.I salute your love for China.Respect! |
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champ
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:37 am Post subject: Re: Things were the same in South Korea in the 1970s |
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| dmocha wrote: |
| You go to China by choice. If you don't like China leave. What's the point in biting the hand that feeds you? |
TIGHT SLAP IN THE FACE OF SOME CHINA LOVERS.Keep up the good work. |
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mrwslee003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: |
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And you know what?
Those who say things "critical" of the Chinese establishment may have
more or comparable "love" for China than the sum of all the "yesmen"!
Don't you agree?
Or, we better watch out, Dave's may be shut down in China next. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| I like the way you have put it up there. Who would disagree with that? |
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Silent Shadow
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:23 am Post subject: |
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And you know what?
Those who say things "critical" of the Chinese establishment may have
more or comparable "love" for China than the sum of all the "yesmen"!
Don't you agree?
Or, we better watch out, Dave's may be shut down in China next. |
So true. Many people criticize something because they like it, care about it, and would like it to be better, and not because they don't like it.
That's the reason why I sometimes "have a go" at China, and I suspect that many of those who are accused of "China bashing" on this forum feel the same. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| mrwslee003 wrote: |
And you know what?
Those who say things "critical" of the Chinese establishment may have
more or comparable "love" for China than the sum of all the "yesmen"!
Don't you agree?
Or, we better watch out, Dave's may be shut down in China next. |
If I could hug you, I would.
These are my exact feelings, but I have never been able to articulate them!
If you love anything and it is going astray, why would you ignore it? |
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mrwslee003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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What I don't understand is why the seemingly "confident, educated, competent and stable" leaders are afraid to ask each Chinese citizen
"Would you vote for me if you were given the choice?".
Are they living in fear of what the answer maybe, everyday?
Or, they have no faith in the intelligence of their people!
The people may just answer "Give us the free choice first!". |
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chinanodles
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| mrwslee003 wrote: |
What I don't understand is why the seemingly "confident, educated, competent and stable" leaders are afraid to ask each Chinese citizen
"Would you vote for me if you were given the choice?".
Are they living in fear of what the answer maybe, everyday?
Or, they have no faith in the intelligence of their people!
The people may just answer "Give us the free choice first!". |
Do you really not understand this? How many people in a position of power would willfully put that power in jeopardy? What incentive does a one party state have to introduce a democratic election process? The masses are fine with the status quo (more or less). Why would they upset their own apple cart?
Also, who is to say that a democratic election process would be beneficial. I fail to see how the democratic election process is inherently superior in any way.
Choice is overrated in many situations. You usually get stuck having to make a choice between multiple piles of shit. Shit is shit. Polish it all you want, it's still shit.
At least under a one party system instead of a system that only pretends not to be one, things can get accomplished with much less posturing and bickering. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| That's how the forbidden topics begin to multiply. What gets accomplished is that the people get locked into their boxes out of where they can see little. How do i communicate with them? Yes, yes, nonverbally. But i hate their index finger in my face. |
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mrwslee003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Hello Mr. Nodle,
I agree that democracy is not the panacea to all the ills in the world.
I appreciate your ideas. You wrote like you have very strong
ideas about the negative aspects of a multiparty system. Have you
had some bad experience in a democratic system of government
somewhere?
Or, is it just some bs from an ideological persuasion?
Again, regardless of your perspective, you are adding spice
to the forum. Thanks to Dave's. |
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