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MrWright
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Location: Arizona
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 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:56 am Post subject: Best job for certified teacher with a MA Tesol? |
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| Hello. I am a certified teacher in the U.S. and I have started a masters program in Tesol. I know I will qualify for international schools, but want to know if a uni job would be that much worse, pay wise. The M.A. is in education, so it would still help me if I taught in international schools, but I'm not sure if I want to teach there or at a univeristy. What position, and what country, do you think would pay the most and have the best conditions. I know everyone is going to write that it depends, and I understand that. Just please make your best generalization. Thanks. |
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tttompatz
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Best job for certified teacher with a MA Tesol? |
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| MrWright wrote: |
| Hello. I am a certified teacher in the U.S. and I have started a masters program in Tesol. I know I will qualify for international schools, but want to know if a uni job would be that much worse, pay wise. The M.A. is in education, so it would still help me if I taught in international schools, but I'm not sure if I want to teach there or at a univeristy. What position, and what country, do you think would pay the most and have the best conditions. I know everyone is going to write that it depends, and I understand that. Just please make your best generalization. Thanks. |
"BEST" job is so subjective.
Best money = middle east (but they pay well for a reason).
Best hours = Asian university (low workloads but the salary is nothing to write home about).
Best location = ??? Beaches, urban center, dynamic culture, unique architecture and beautiful city... the list is endless.
As to generalizing the overall conditions in various countries, the post that was immediately next in line to yours has a simple rundown of countries and conditions in the larger part of Asia (that hires foreigners).
I understand that for some people the simple process of actually looking before they type is onerous but if you made it through a MA it shouldn't be that difficult to read the FAQs and at least take the time to browse the 1st page of posts.
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Although pay and cost of living also have to be taken into account. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Best job for certified teacher with a MA Tesol? |
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| MrWright wrote: |
| Hello. I am a certified teacher in the U.S. and I have started a masters program in Tesol. I know I will qualify for international schools, but want to know if a uni job would be that much worse, pay wise. |
Where exactly? Asia is a big place.
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| The M.A. is in education |
You said it was in "Tesol".
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| What position, and what country, do you think would pay the most and have the best conditions. |
In Japan alone, universities come in many flavors (check Wikipedia), so the working conditions will vary considerably. Just landing a job will require more than just a master's degree. Do you have publications? Can you speak/read/write any amount of Japanese? Who exactly have you taught before, and for how long, and what subject(s)?
You can find some information about international schools in Japan (requirements, salaries, etc.) at this web site:
http://www.tokyowithkids.com/fyi/international_schools.html
"Best conditions" for working at a university? Generic ones for a full-timer (not the most common type of uni worker nowadays, BTW) include the following:
*private office and phone/Internet connection
*5-10 90-minute lessons per week
*classroom sizes of 30-60 students (could even be less or more; I've had classes of 7-12 on the small side and 90-120 on the large side).
*research fund (anything from 100,000-500,000 yen/year)
*duties like making/proctoring/correcting entrance exams, open campus, an attending regular staff meetings (usually in Japanese) |
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evolving81
Joined: 04 May 2009
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Location: Tampa
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:28 am Post subject: |
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I have two questions.
1. Do you (any of you) recommend getting certified to teach in our home state (I live in FL) just to add it to our CV? I currently teach part time in an EAP program at a local community college so certification is not required. I would like to try teaching abroad though.
2. Are there decent university jobs to be found abroad with an MA TESOL but without two years of full time teaching experience? I have a full time desk job at a university, which I've been holding on to while I finish my MA and teach part time.
China seems to have the jobs, but not great pay. Korea has university jobs with better pay (from what I've seen in postings), but requires more experience. I know the job postings and what the school will actually accept aren't exactly the same thing. Thanks for your help. |
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tttompatz
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| evolving81 wrote: |
I have two questions.
1. Do you (any of you) recommend getting certified to teach in our home state (I live in FL) just to add it to our CV? I currently teach part time in an EAP program at a local community college so certification is not required. I would like to try teaching abroad though.
2. Are there decent university jobs to be found abroad with an MA TESOL but without two years of full time teaching experience? I have a full time desk job at a university, which I've been holding on to while I finish my MA and teach part time.
China seems to have the jobs, but not great pay. Korea has university jobs with better pay (from what I've seen in postings), but requires more experience. I know the job postings and what the school will actually accept aren't exactly the same thing. Thanks for your help. |
2) there are lots of places that you can get into with a MATESOL and no (appreciable) experience (like China, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc) but the remuneration package isn't very good.
As you gain experience you move up the food chain (better package, better benefits, better pay).
Another thing (an especially common mistake for our US friends) is to compare base salaries from different economies without looking at the whole picture.
A job in China that pays $12000 per year (6500 rmb per month) and includes housing, food allowance, airfare, etc. will also allow you to save about 75% of your salary (about $9k per year).
A (typical) job in Korea that pays $24k per year (+ benefits) will only allow you to save about $10-12k.
A (typical entry level) job in Thailand (outside of BKK) that pays $12k per year (30k THB per month) will allow you to save nothing. Get a couple years under your belt and your salary goes up to $24k and you save $12k (same as Korea but a nicer standard of living).
1) It depends on what / who you want to teach.
i) If you want to teach at the tertiary level then it is not necessary and won't likely do you much good in most places.
ii) If you want to work with kids it makes a world of different both in terms of job and remuneration package. Places like Taiwan offer a nice package for certified teachers ($2500+ per month + a nice benefit package including air, housing, medical, generous vacations, etc).
You can also find decent positions in the "International School" systems if you have home country certification and 2 years of home country experience.
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evolving81
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Thanks for the info. I don't want to teach kids. Well, I've never really taught kids, and I'm not sure I want to start now.  |
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Nemodot
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| evolving81 wrote: |
| Thanks for the info. I don't want to teach kids. Well, I've never really taught kids, and I'm not sure I want to start now. |
Hi you said you could get a job in an international school but you wouldn't without certification and two years teaching experience of children and I mean recent experience. No way unless some desperate third tier god awful hell hole shunned by everyone else - and on very low pay.
An MA in Tefl isn't of much practical use IMHO a celta then a delta after two years experience is far better. A celta is a must. Tefl wages are declining due to the "great depression 2" as graduates leave the west looking for anything to get away from unemployment. Wages in Thailand for exame went nowhere for 10 years and now seem to be in decline. More like 30,000 baht a month in Bangkok! People will take those jobs now pushing wages down.
The best Tefl money is teaching kids from my experience. If you don't like teaching kids I would rethink all this |
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rayman
Joined: 24 May 2003
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The M.A. is in education
You said it was in "Tesol". |
I took it as meaning he has a MEd (TESOL). That is, a Master of Education with a specialisation in TESOL. |
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