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Bakunin



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:40 am    Post subject: Has Hong Kong stopped Z visas ? Reply with quote

i have been offered a new job in Hangzhou. My Residence permit expires on 30th August. The school told me that I might have to return to England or Hong Kong for a Z visa. However, I was recently told at an interview in Guangzhou that Hong Kong no longer issues Z visas. Is this true ? Also, as some of you may remember from my post a couple of months ago, I only have a Residence permit and not a Z visa. This was renewed after 1 year in Nanning. So, can anyone tell me about the current Hong Kong situation please ?
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Bakunin



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, I just read on a Sticky that Zhejiang is one of the provinces that issues Residence pemits without a Z visa. Is there anyone reading this who is currently working in Zhejiang who could clarify / update the visa / residence permit issue please ?
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snacksturbo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Answering your question is difficult. As you should already know, rules are different for different people in China. The same being true for employers. If you want to go to work for podunk university in no-name city, yes, you will probably have to return to your country of origin to get your Z visa. If your going to work a for decent university or a language mill with some reputation, then you can probably get away with a trip to HK for your Z. (I have heard both stories that HK is/is not issuing Z visas, it seems to depend on who you are going to work for). If your going to work for a major employer of FT's and the number one university in the province, then you will have no worries and dont have to leave to get a Z. Everything here depends on clout, how much or how little depends on what YOU have to do to work for them.
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't your new school renew your residence permit before it expires on August 30th? I'm not really up on all the ins and outs of getting these things done as I have stayed at the same place for several years and they just renew my RP every year. Someone else may be a bit more knowledgeable about these things.

Remember, you shouldn't have a Z visa AND a residence permit. The RP takes the place of the visa, which is just short term. So the question for those that are more in the know is: Shouldn't it be - - former school gives release letter which allows new school to hire you; new school gets you new residence permit and foreign expert's certificate? I honestly don't know this info.
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bobdaun



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite right.

The Z visa is only for ENTERING China. Within 30 days of entry it must be converted to a Residence Permit.

If you have a residence permit there is absolutely no need to leave China, get a new visa, then come back and go through the rigmarole of converting it to another residence permit.

Your school simply organizes the necessary renewal papers (contract, foreign experts certificate, residential registration from the local police station, a couple of photographs and the application form) and you then trundle along to the local government and get your residence permit renewed.

I have lost count of the number of times I have done this - there is absolutely no need to leave China to get a new visa if you already have a residence permit and you are staying at the same school.

Even if you are moving schools, you should still be able to get a new permit providing your new school does the application for you before the old residence permit expires.
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xjgirl



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah but can anyone answer
IS HONG KONG STILL ISSUING Z-VISAS?

or more pertinently, which provinces or municipalities still
accept a hong kong z-visa?
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sistercream



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No personal experience, but word of mouth and some of the traffic on other threads are showing that whether the FAO in HK will issue a Z visa depends on whether the documentation from the school that contracts to employ you specifies Hong Kong or an embassy / consulate in your passport country for visa collection. If it says Hong Kong on the dotted line (and of course if all your paperwork is in order), then no problem. Otherwise, no dice.
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bnej



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xjgirl wrote:
yeah but can anyone answer
IS HONG KONG STILL ISSUING Z-VISAS?

or more pertinently, which provinces or municipalities still
accept a hong kong z-visa?


Yes, Hong Kong still issues Z-Visas. I just sent one of my teachers to Hong Kong to do this very visa flip less than 3 months ago. You will NEED a medical certificate that says you're healthy, and you'll need a letter of invitation that is intended for Hong Kong (ie. the 'dotted line'). You'll also need the other usual stuff, filled out visa form, pictures and of course, your passport, and the $250HKD for a 4 day, or $400HKD for expedited next day.

All provinces/municipalities accept this visa. Where it was issued makes no difference, as long as it was issued at a real Chinese consulate.
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Cairnsman



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or more pertinently, which provinces or municipalities still
accept a hong kong z-visa?


Every province and municipality will accept a Hong Kong Z Visa. A Z visa is a Z visa regardless of where it was issued.

When a school applies to their local Foreign Experts Bureau for a Working Permit (sic) and Confirmation of Letter of Invitation on behalf of a newly recruited foreign teacher, the Bureau will 'automatically' nominate the teacher's country of origin as the place where a Z visa application should be submitted.

However, if the newly recruited foreign teacher explains to the school, and the school explains to the Bureau, why it is not practical to apply for a Z visa in the teacher�s country of origin, then an alternative location can / will be nominated on the paperwork.

A second however � in some countries, South Korea and Thailand are 2 definites, the Chinese embassies / consulates will not issue Z visas, even though the documentation species South Korea / Thailand, unless the visa applicant has a residency visa for the country, i.e. Non-immigrant B visa for Thailand or E2 Visa for South Korea.

The Hong Kong visa office does not require Z visa applicants to hold a Hong Kong residency permit.

A final note � after a Working Permit and Confirmation of Letter of Invitation have been issued nominating a place where the Z visa is to be applied for, then the nominated place is it!
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askiptochina



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A second however � in some countries, South Korea and Thailand are 2 definites, the Chinese embassies / consulates will not issue Z visas, even though the documentation species South Korea / Thailand, unless the visa applicant has a residency visa for the country, i.e. Non-immigrant B visa for Thailand or E2 Visa for South Korea.


Well, I have had E2 visas for South Korea, but when I came to China last year, my last one was canceled. I went to South Korea to get my Z visa (I was simply on a tourist visa that time). I wasn't allowed to apply by myself, but a travel agent could get my Z visa.

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A final note � after a Working Permit and Confirmation of Letter of Invitation have been issued nominating a place where the Z visa is to be applied for, then the nominated place is it!


I have read about this too, but only once. I don't know if it is true anymore. Do you have a site which has updated procedures and can verify this?
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dean_a_jones



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

askiptochina wrote:
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A final note � after a Working Permit and Confirmation of Letter of Invitation have been issued nominating a place where the Z visa is to be applied for, then the nominated place is it!


I have read about this too, but only once. I don't know if it is true anymore. Do you have a site which has updated procedures and can verify this?


I think what is being said here is that once your paperwork has a place of application on it (i.e. you are stated to apply for your visa in the USA) then you cannot decide to apply elsewhere (i.e. Hong Kong).

No doubt someone somewhere has done otherwise, but I would not suggest trying it unless you have the means to get back to where you said you would be applying from.
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Sam1



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:07 am    Post subject: Hope this doesn't sound odd... Reply with quote

But I just had an interview with a school in Shanghai, ELFA Juyuan Preschool, and the person I was talking too said I would get a Foreign Expert Certificate, and it would take about 1.5 months. In the meantime, I needed to show up after getting a tourist visa in the US and wait for that process to occur while already working.

Then I asked about the school getting me a Z visa. She said that they are only for Filipino and Thai employees.

There was a definite language barrier, but I am certain she said the Z visa was not something I would need.

What's the legal scoop?

Thx.
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dean_a_jones



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: Hope this doesn't sound odd... Reply with quote

Sam1 wrote:
But I just had an interview with a school in Shanghai, ELFA Juyuan Preschool, and the person I was talking too said I would get a Foreign Expert Certificate, and it would take about 1.5 months. In the meantime, I needed to show up after getting a tourist visa in the US and wait for that process to occur while already working.

Then I asked about the school getting me a Z visa. She said that they are only for Filipino and Thai employees.

There was a definite language barrier, but I am certain she said the Z visa was not something I would need.

What's the legal scoop?

Thx.


The process for obtaining a z-visa should take a month or so (the school gets the necessary paperwork, then sends it to you in the US and you apply for the visa), and you are meant to enter the country with it if you intend on working. If you show up on a tourist visa, expect the following:

1) Never to obtain the right paperwork and remain illegal, meaning if they screw you over in any way, you don't really have a leg to stand on.

2) Turn up for a job interview and, after which, if they don't like you, to scramble for a job or head home. If they do like you, option 1 or 3.

3) Get your paperwork sorted as promised for the z-visa, then have to pay your own way to Hong Kong and back for a visa run.

Normal procedure is to enter on the z-vsia. Once you enter on a z-visa, your school will transfer it into the Residency Permit and FEC which is what you need to legally work in China.

It is getting late in the summer, so they might just be rushing you over for a September start, and will sort you out. I would certainly at least find out if you will need to go on a visa run, and if so, who will pay for it etc. Speak to current teachers if you can get their contact details, see what their situation is.

Some people (say they) have experience coming in on a L visa and getting upgraded to a residency permit and FEC without going on a visa run, but I certainly wouldn't expect that to happen.
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peas4luck



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know if it's possible to pick up the Z visa in Hanoi? I am currently teaching in Hanoi but am going to teach at a uni in Nanjing this fall. The uni is applying for the Letter of Invitation. I'm just curious if I can get the z visa in Hanoi or if I need to go to Hong Kong.

If anyone has any experience with Hanoi, I would really appreciate your help!

Thanks,
Christy
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xjgirl



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

u may have to go back to your country of origin,
double check this with the school
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