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hewlett77
Joined: 17 Dec 2009
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Location: all over China
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 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: Trying to come back to China |
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Current Situation is I have been offered employment in China. The school wants to fly me from New Zealand back to China. Since been forced to leave the country by the Beijing PSB I got a new passport, been working odd teaching jobs in New Zealand then when I go to apply for a new visa today, they stop me in my tracks saying that my visa application is up in the air. Thus meaning maybe they will not allow me back into China.
When I was asked to leave china the authorities at the airport said there will be no problems coming back in as long as I got a new passport and find a job which is legal in the sense I can apply for the Z visa. . Now confused and very unhappy.
They made me fill out paperwork explaining why I was issued an exit visa, and the fact the agent who issued me with an F visa had obtained this visa through Los Angles. I did not pick this up until I was in Beijing. I�m still very angry at finding out my last visa was issued in a country I have never been too.
So what to do? |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Trying to come back to China |
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| When I was asked to leave china the authorities at the airport said there will be no problems coming back in as long as I got a new passport and find a job which is legal in the sense I can apply for the Z visa. . Now confused and very unhappy. |
You were here before, surely you know better than to trust anyone who tells you anything of this nature, especially when they are unlikely to really care whatever happens.
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| They made me fill out paperwork explaining why I was issued an exit visa, and the fact the agent who issued me with an F visa had obtained this visa through Los Angles. I did not pick this up until I was in Beijing. I�m still very angry at finding out my last visa was issued in a country I have never been too. |
I don't really understand the F visa part of this. You mean an agency you used to obtain a visa for you got it in the USA for you? Were you also here working on an F visa before? That might be a problem if they knew this when they sent you off. If not, then I wouldn't worry.
You already know the answer to this--wait and see what they decide. Unless you have some serious guanxi, whatever they choose you are going to have to live with.
If they do let you back in, I hope you are better prepared and in a better situation in terms of your job. |
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hewlett77
Joined: 17 Dec 2009
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Location: all over China
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Not much work here. If they don't let me in, maybe I will go off the deep end. I worry like hell this might happen. Not that I'm wishing this, but I'm reaching my limits. I'm sick of chinese employers, agents getting away with just about anything, and hiding behind the so called chinese government. I just wanted to do my job and not be taken advantage of. |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sick of chinese employers, agents getting away with just about anything, and hiding behind the so called chinese government. I just wanted to do my job and not be taken advantage of. |
I know jobs can be tough to find back home (especially if you are seeking something specific) and that's a drag. But my honest opinion is that if the above is really a reflection of your feelings, then I would seriously reconsider coming back here.
Yeah, there are many great things about China: the food is cheap, the lifestyle can be nice, you meet interesting people etc. However it is give and take, and one of the main things you lose is stability, particularly when dealing with the government and employers. Who you know really does count here, and can really work against you. It means you have to be constantly guarding against being taken advantage of, and looking out for your own interests. It also means that from time to time, things will go against you and you have to try to resolve them calmly and rationally.
One of the hardest things to deal with is that sinking feeling of frustration and anger, especially if you are working with others who are equally pessimistic and cynical about the place (often those who have been here a year or two, and don't feel they have many prospects back home, even if they would rather return). Starting with that feeling will only make the little problems you will almost inevitably face seem that much more difficult and tiring.
I don't want to drag up the past discussions you have had here, but one of your major issues was financial stability. I am guessing, particularly with "not much work" back home that you are not returning with a chunk of change for when things possibly go wrong. Obviously I don't know you or the specifics of your situation, but my advice is to seriously consider if coming back here is the right move for you, especially given the sentiments expressed above.
Good luck anyway. |
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mike w
Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Beijing building site
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sick of chinese employers, agents getting away with just about anything, and hiding behind the so called chinese government. I just wanted to do my job and not be taken advantage of. |
Considering your remarks, why do still want to come back? |
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Sinko
Joined: 21 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Current Situation is I have been offered employment in China. |
Which school? Can you tell us something about them so we can help you and you don't make the same mistakes you made last time.
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| The school wants to fly me from New Zealand back to China |
Assuming they will reimburse you later, where did you find the money to afford an airfare to China. You mentioned you have a casual job in New Zealand, so I would imagine a lot of your pay was absorbed by living costs. You were broke when you arrived and it was only a couple of months ago. How much money do you intend taking with you?
Take my advice, STAY THERE IN NZ. Do not come to China, you are not ready for it yet. |
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hewlett77
Joined: 17 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Sinko, jump in the lake, try live in New Zealand. It's such a costly place to live, and our economy is becoming pear shaped. Last month 3,000 kiwis left the country for a better life. Here in Auckland there is more indains and asians now than ever in our history. They are welcome here,I personally have nothing against them being here but I feel marginlised. At least in China i can have more stable work, and it's ongoing. |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| At least in China i can have more stable work, and it's ongoing. |
From your previous posts (mostly deleted now) and issues, nothing struck me as stable. Not your work history, decisions, or personality.
Popular opinion was that you should get some kind of an education then consider returning once you also have a healthy cash buffer for potential emergencies.
Have you done any of this?
Seems like any country you live in you have great difficulty finding work. Perhaps the problem does not lie with the country.
China is kind of touchy about train wrecks at the moment, perhaps they simply do not want another on their hands. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Trying to come back to China |
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When I was asked to leave china the authorities at the airport said there will be no problems coming back in as long as I got a new passport and find a job which is legal in the sense I can apply for the Z visa....
....They made me fill out paperwork explaining why I was issued an exit visa, and the fact the agent who issued me with an F visa had obtained this visa through Los Angles. I did not pick this up until I was in Beijing..... |
you didn't get a new passport, did you? you went in and applied with
the old passport with questionable visas. you say you got a new
passport. should be fresh with no visas. why are they asking about
exit visas and an f-visa from los angeles?
so it seems you're complaining that the dude promised you it'd be
okay if you did X, but you failed to do X, and things aren't working
out. sound familiar? |
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lockedinadrawer
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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| Having read the previous thread on this issue; all I can say is two words: Hilarious, Amazing. |
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Sinko
Joined: 21 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Sinko, jump in the lake, try live in New Zealand. It's such a costly place to live, and our economy is becoming pear shaped. Last month 3,000 kiwis left the country for a better life. Here in Auckland there is more indains and asians now than ever in our history. They are welcome here,I personally have nothing against them being here but I feel marginlised. At least in China i can have more stable work, and it's ongoing. |
No, I will not jump in the lake. You came here for advice, I'm giving you some. I have lived in NZ before. I have family there. It is not THAT bad. If it is such a costly place to live, how come you have gone from being broke a couple of months ago to affording another trip to China in that short time, while living off a casual job? If you have managed to save quite a bit of money, then it wouldn't be such a bad place to live.
Again, what is the name of the school who offered you employment? |
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TexasHighway
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Again, what is the name of the school who offered you employment? |
I was wondering that myself. From reading your previous posts, it seems you were down on your luck and surviving on your last few rmb before you left China. How do you get the money to go back to China and get settled again? Is your school fronting the money for your airfare and enough money to get through to your first payday? Apparently, they have a lot of faith in you (and vice versa). |
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askiptochina
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| forced to leave the country |
Why were you forced to leave the country?
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| they stop me in my tracks |
Who is "they"?
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| authorities at the airport said there will be no problems coming back |
This apparently has no bearing on the situation. PSB told you to leave the country. They aren't going to call the airport to let them know. Usually you can come back without any problems. What happened to make PSB force you to leave? This will answer why it doesn't matter what the airport said to you.
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| the agent who issued me with an F visa had obtained this visa through Los Angles |
That's 6 months right? Why not the normal Z visa? As far as location, if the agent is doing business in L.A., then why can't they process the paperwork there? I went to Korea, but I am not Korean. I didn't go to the Chinese consulate, not even allowed. The travel agent did the work (by using a courier service). Same thing as yours, instead of flying I could have mailed my passport.
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| I did not pick this up until I was in Beijing. |
Where were you? You had a residence permit in another area? |
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wesharris
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.... I'm not going to outright call this guy a troll.
But he's pretty danged close. |
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Dedicated
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Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's all agree not to waste any more time on this protracted tale of nonsense! MODS?? |
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