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posh



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bahrain hotels have Christmas trees in the lobby.

Last year, with a straight face, I asked my boss to have the 25th off. He laughed.

I went to Sinai in December. It was great and you can easily get there from Tabuk without flying. There is a ferry from Saudi that Ive heard of but never found any online evidence of. Better is go to Aqaba in Jordan and catch one to Nuweiba. I stayed in very laid back Dahab as Sharm is full-on tourism with sharks on land as well as in the water. Beautiful hotel for 50 bucks a night.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Christmas, Easter, and Sundays are all regular workdays in the Gulf. Keep in mind that in the US, we completely ignore the Muslim holidays and they rarely, if ever, get any time off for their holidays in the vast majority of the country.

Outside of Saudi they are more tolerant of decorations in that they sell them and the stores that cater to Christian expats do decorate. But it is very low key there too.

VS


While it might be true that Muslim holidays are ignored it is NOT at all true that people are rarely given time off to celebrate them. This right is protected by law and muat bs respected. When I lived in the US I worked with people who practiced various religions and they were WITHOUT EXCEPTION given days off for religious observance.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[i]Christmas, Easter, and Sundays are all regular workdays in the Gulf. Keep in mind that in the US, we completely ignore the Muslim holidays and they rarely, if ever, get any time off for their holidays in the vast majority of the country.

Outside of Saudi they are more tolerant of decorations in that they sell them and the stores that cater to Christian expats do decorate. But it is very low key there too.[/i]

VS

On the PC east coast of the USA, Eid holidays are part of the annual schedule and schools are closed. NYC and parts of New Jersey are examples.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear rtm,

"If there are an estimated 1.5 million Christians out of an estimated 28 million citizens, that'd be 1.5/28 = .0537."

But wouldn't you have to count the Christians as part of the population (although not of the citizenry?) I'm sure the Muslims in the US are included in the "total population figure." That's why I gave the figure 1/29.5.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2buckets wrote:
On the PC east coast of the USA, Eid holidays are part of the annual schedule and schools are closed. NYC and parts of New Jersey are examples.

I would expect that it is also true in Michigan too, perhaps even Houston... but we are talking about a small percentage of the US where the Muslim population is high enough to get noticed and listened to. America is a great big place, and in the vast majority of it... I'd say lots of luck getting 4-7 days off at the Eids and time off every Friday for prayers. And one would certainly get cut no slack for the fact that one is fasting for a month.

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It's Scary!



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The U.S. military respects the fasting period and reminds people to consider those who fast. But, no accommodation is made otherwise.

There is a rumour that at least one day is given to them for al-Eid. Personally, for me, I let all know that they have Saturday and Sunday off.

But, that's only because I'm such a softie!

It gets them every time!
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Kornan DeKobb



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2buckets wrote:
On the PC east coast of the USA, Eid holidays are part of the annual schedule and schools are closed. NYC and parts of New Jersey are examples.

What is really incredible is that NYC alternate-side-of-the-street parking regulations are suspended during the Eids! Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
2buckets wrote:
On the PC east coast of the USA, Eid holidays are part of the annual schedule and schools are closed. NYC and parts of New Jersey are examples.

I would expect that it is also true in Michigan too, perhaps even Houston... but we are talking about a small percentage of the US where the Muslim population is high enough to get noticed and listened to. America is a great big place, and in the vast majority of it... I'd say lots of luck getting 4-7 days off at the Eids and time off every Friday for prayers. And one would certainly get cut no slack for the fact that one is fasting for a month.

VS







"but we are talking about a small percentage of the US where the Muslim population is high enough to get noticed and listened to."


Some might say they get noticed all right and they get listened to too much as it is, for such a tiny demographic group.


BTW< Do you have any evidence that there is a systematic discrimination going on against Muslims in the States, particularly discrimination that is somehow fundamentally worse than discrimination against any other minority?







"I'd say lots of luck getting 4-7 days off at the Eids and time off every Friday for prayers. And one would certainly get cut no slack for the fact that one is fasting for a month."


As others have pointed out, employers DO make substantial accommodations for Muslims, their holidays and practices. Getting up to two weeks off for a religious holiday in the space of three months is absurd, whatever your religion. I guess they'd want their regular vacation entitlement on top of that. We don't need such employees.

You know what? They came to this country knowing fully well what foundations it was built upon. They make a minuscule minority of the population yet, unlike say Buddhists or Hindus who constitute about the same number of people in the U.S., tend to be known very widely and for all the wrong reasons.

Bottom line? Muslims in America are a hell of a lot freer than Christians in Saudi Arabia or Christians in most Muslim countries or even Muslims in many Muslim countries. So kindly don't try to make us feel as if we're doing something wrong because WE ARE NOT.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kornan DeKobb wrote:
What is really incredible is that NYC alternate-side-of-the-street parking regulations are suspended during the Eids! Shocked

Interesting and helpful for their many guests. Do they do this for Christian and Jewish holidays that also involve family get togethers? (Thanksgiving too?)

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Betrayer of Hope



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mashkif wrote:

Bottom line? Muslims in America are a hell of a lot freer than Christians in Saudi Arabia or Christians in most Muslim countries or even Muslims in many Muslim countries. So kindly don't try to make us feel as if we're doing something wrong because WE ARE NOT.


Wow someone popped a vein.

Note that it is because of democracy that individuals of all faith are able to get some time off from work for religious holidays. Most Muslims in the west take their holidays out of their allotted vacation days (at least in Canada). Regarding the Friday prayers, Muslims generally do that during their lunch break.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear mashkif,

"BTW< Do you have any evidence that there is a systematic discrimination going on against Muslims in the States, particularly discrimination that is somehow fundamentally worse than discrimination against any other minority?"

I guess it depends on your definition of "fundamentally worse."


�We should all agree that it�s wrong to blame an entire community for the wrongdoing of a few. Guilt by association is not the American way,� said Democratic Senator Dick Durbin, who chaired the hearing.
He said Muslims account for less than 1 percent of the U.S. population but more than 14 percent of religious discrimination cases investigated by the federal government and 25 percent of religious discrimination cases involving workplaces.
The Justice Department has investigated over 800 incidents of violence, vandalism and arson against people believed to be Muslim, Arab or South Asian, since the September 11 attacks."

http://btx3.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/discrimination-against-muslims/

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John
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kornan DeKobb wrote:
2buckets wrote:
On the PC east coast of the USA, Eid holidays are part of the annual schedule and schools are closed. NYC and parts of New Jersey are examples.

What is really incredible is that NYC alternate-side-of-the-street parking regulations are suspended during the Eids! Shocked

If this is a joke, I�ve missed the point. What on earth are ��alternate side of the street parking regulations��? Why are they suspended during the Eids?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear sheik,

"Alternate side of the street parking holidays are a subtle, yet meaningful way in which the state publicly recognizes the diverse religious values of its citizens. In New York City, for example, parking regulations are suspended out of respect for different groups� most sacred holidays, such as Yom Kippur for Jews, Diwali for Hindus, and Eid al-Adha for Muslims. Significantly, religious holidays for specific groups that warrant suspending parking regulations exist alongside secular anniversaries and Christian holy days that the majority celebrates for which schools are closed or workers are given the day off. In other words, New York City has multi-level holidays permitting different types of exemptions that recognize the values of particular groups as well as those of the broader community."

http://www.stlawu.edu/academics/programs/government/stories/2171

"Alternate side parking is a traffic law that dictates on which side of a street cars can be parallel parked on a given day. The law is intended to ensure the most efficient flow of traffic, as well as to allow street sweepers and snowplows to reach the curb without parked cars impeding their progress. Some proponents also regard the law, which can be quite inconvenient for drivers, as a way to encourage the use of public transportation.

"In many towns and cities, alternate side parking is reserved for certain times of year. In other places, such as New York City, it is a year-round rule suspended only for holidays and certain events."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate-side_parking

Regards,
John
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, John. As ALWAYS you have an answer. Your wife must have the patience of a saint. But what happens at midnight to the cars that are already parked? Do their owners have to go out and move them to the other side of the street?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear sheik,

" Your wife must have the patience of a saint." Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

She does, indeed!

" Do their owners have to go out and move them to the other side of the street?"

" . . . which can be quite inconvenient for drivers, . . ."

Well, they can either do that or take the risk of getting a ticket. But there aren't too many parking enforcement officers out on the streets between midnight and 7 a.m. The real danger is the Sanitation Department - which IS up very early.

"Ever come down five minutes too late to move your car for alternate side parking only to find the Sanitation Department has slapped on one of those stickers that's totally impossible to get off without leaving scratch marks and a sticky residue on your window?"

http://gothamist.com/2011/04/05/councilman_wants_to_ban_those_embar.php

Regards,
John
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