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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read an article recently which seemed to indicate that Saudi law doesn't actually obligate employees to hand over their passports to employers but that in fact employers demand this as a matter of course regardless. It could be just a norm which has no basis in law, but its widespread practice makes it tantamount to law. It's kind of like the female drivers in Saudi who don't actually have any written law forbidding them to drive, but the licensing authority refuses to issue them driving licences. In that situation, what's to be done? It's Saudi...

I don't even know why employers are so keen to keep hold of passports, as employees can't leave the country without an exit visa anyway. I'm guessing it's just an extra level of control they have over you. Again, it's Saudi...
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Middle East Beast



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most employers keep your passports, and I found it uncomfortable. It's MY passport, after all, and I should never have to relinquish it for "safekeeping" by some other entity. But it's clear why they do it...to prevent runners. That says a lot about working in KSA.

To my knowledge KSA is the only country where you'll encounter this issue.

I'm confused, though. I've read on these threads that Saudi law requires employers to keep passports, and that it's against Saudi law for employers to keep passports (or at least there's no Saudi law requiring it). Only one of these claims can be true.

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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear MEB,

I'm pretty darn sure it's NOT that "Saudi law REQUIRES employers to keep passports:

"The Kingdom�s Government is endeavouring to ensure an appropriate working environment for all male and female workers in its territory. To this end it has taken numerous measures and promulgated legislation to safeguard their rights. Article 47 of the Basic Law of Governance stipulates that: �The right to seek legal remedy shall be guaranteed, on an equal footing, to all citizens and residents of the Kingdom�. Council of Ministers Decision No. 166 of 12/7/1421 AH regulating relations between migrant workers and their employers further stipulates as follows:
- Employers shall not retain the passports of migrant workers or the passports of members of their families.
- Migrants worker shall be entitled to freedom of movement within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia provided that they hold a valid residence permit.
- Migrant workers may apply to governmental and other bodies to avail themselves of the services needed to ensure a decent life for themselves and their families, such as the issuance of driving licenses, the purchase of motor vehicles, telephone connections etc., without being obliged to obtain the consent of their employers.
- The term �sponsor� shall be invalid wherever it appears and shall be replaced by the term �employer�.
- The Decision also makes provision for the establishment of a special committee to resolve any problems arising from its application.
36. The new Labour Law, promulgated on 23/8/1426 AH corresponding to 27/9/2005, contains clear and explicit provisions to safeguard the rights of workers. This Law does not differentiate between Saudi and non-Saudi workers or between males and females. Article 40 stipulates that the employer shall bear the costs of recruitment, the fees for the issuance and renewal of residence and work permits, the fees in respect of change of occupation, departure and return and other fees arising from the worker�s transfer to a new employer, as well as the worker�s travel expenses when he returns to his country on the termination of the contractual relationship between the two parties."

http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=3677558&type=member&item=53483539&commentID=42174290&qid=5a68e5a0-6f35-41be-b24a-69eac3e967d0&goback=.gmp_3677558

"There is no law in Saudi Arabia which requires workers to surrender their passports to their employers, however some companies falsely claim that they are following the law by holding their employees� passports or may simply say that it is company policy. Companies explain that keeping workers� passports is their way of protecting their investment by bringing workers into the country. The Kingdom requires that foreign workers have a legal sponsor, which would be the Saudi company they work for. According to Saudi law, workers are allowed to freely change jobs or employers and to change their sponsorship, however there is no government entity to ensure that foreign workers rights are protected."

http://mideastposts.com/2011/07/26/fire-puts-spotlight-on-saudi-passport-holding/

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John
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Middle East Beast



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good information. Thanks, John.

Is this actually the law in force in KSA now?

If so, then employers don't have an excuse for retaining passports. Period.

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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear MEB,

No excuse, true - but I'll bet some, at least, will continue to do so. Wasta trumps "the law" every time Very Happy.

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John
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Middle East Beast wrote:
Good information. Thanks, John.

Is this actually the law in force in KSA now?

If so, then employers don't have an excuse for retaining passports. Period.MEB Cool


That would make sense in the US, UK, Canada, etc. In Saudi your employer will likelysay to you if you aren't happy with our procedure then feel free to find another job.
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Middle East Beast



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulgogiboy wrote:
Middle East Beast wrote:
Good information. Thanks, John.

Is this actually the law in force in KSA now?

If so, then employers don't have an excuse for retaining passports. Period.MEB Cool


That would make sense in the US, UK, Canada, etc. In Saudi your employer will likelysay to you if you aren't happy with our procedure then feel free to find another job.


I somewhat agree with you. They will do what they want. At my last job in KSA, however, I (and others) insisted on keeping our passports. The employer did not put up a fight.

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gelynch52ph



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:54 am    Post subject: Passport and iquama Reply with quote

sheikh radlinrol wrote:
I�m confused by this thread for the following reasons.
1 I understood that it was illegal in KSA to be in possession of both your passport and Iqama at the same time.
2 If you were to hand over your Iqama at the airport then you would obviously be holding both documents.
3 When I exited KSA I had to surrender my Iqama to my employer on the last day and was given my passport. I didn�t take my my Iqama to the airport to hand it over.


I believe that after an incident a few years ago in which a US businessman was prevented from leaving KSA, that Americans are not forced to surrender their passports when they get an iquama. The US government says we are obligated to give it away temporarily while papers are processed but we are to have it returned to us. It does not belong to us. It belongs to the United States Government.
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