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Jonikiro
Joined: 28 Aug 2011 Posts: 26
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:36 am Post subject: Running out of time. Any work after September? |
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Hi, there. I've recently graduated from college with a degree in Communications. Just got my CELTA on Friday, so I started looking for work over the weekend. Been reading up on these forums in the interim.
Thing is, I've noticed most teaching jobs start up in September and October. I've still got immunizations and other things to take care of here in the states, so I'm quickly running out of time to get those positions. If I miss the start of the school year, I'm worried that I'll have to wait another 6 to 12 months just to find my first job!
Being wet behind the ears, I'm torn between taking the first flight out to Vietnam to try stealing a position before its too late or finding work as a burger flipper for a year until I'm more prepared.
My question is: Should I book those tickets now, or are there other positions available for upstarts like me during the winter months as well? I'd certainly like more time to get things ready (my Cambridge-approved certificate doesn't even come in for another 6 weeks), but I don't want to miss the boat and get stranded at McDonald's for a whole year. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Quite a lot depends where you are looking. Vietnam, where else? Timing is not standard worldwide. |
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Jonikiro
Joined: 28 Aug 2011 Posts: 26
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the quick reply. I'm aiming for SE Asia in general, but since I don't have the YL extension for my CELTA yet (and I've heard most SE Asian positions involve teaching children), I'm aiming for jobs with adult learners. I've heard Spain and South America have positions of that sort, but again, I'm not aware of the timing for different positions in the area.
I've also considered heading to SE Asia to get my YL extension over there, but again, I'd hate to get stranded over there in late October with no open positions to take afterwards. |
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Jonikiro
Joined: 28 Aug 2011 Posts: 26
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:43 am Post subject: |
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As a side note, I'm aware of the existence of "winter camps," but again, they seem to cater to teachers who can teach kids. I'd certainly be interested in getting a YL extension before winter if I'd be able to work in a position like that. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Although the bulk of hiring may be done at the beginning of the academic year (which varies by country/region), there are almost always positions available.
1) Institutes that teach business English can get new clients/students at any time of the year.
2) Schools may need new teachers for the start of the 2nd semester--again, timings will vary.
3) There are ALWAYS places that need replacements for teachers who've done runners and/or resigned. You've got to be careful with these jobs, though. In the back of your mind, you've got to ask yourself why those teachers left. It could be that they just weren't cut out for teaching/living abroad, or it could be that the school has serious issues.
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Jonikiro
Joined: 28 Aug 2011 Posts: 26
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reassuring reply. You make a good point in that mid-semester vacancies should be looked at with some caution. Any other perspectives on this issue would certainly help as well. |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Jonikiro wrote: |
Thanks for the reassuring reply. You make a good point in that mid-semester vacancies should be looked at with some caution. Any other perspectives on this issue would certainly help as well. |
Yes, you should actually try reading. There is LOTS of information out there and for someone planning to head abroad for a year or 5 it is certainly in your best interest to spend a little time looking around.
If you don't have the time to read then you don't have the time to get on an airplane.
Jonikiro wrote: |
Hi, there. I've recently graduated from college with a degree in Communications. Just got my CELTA on Friday, so I started looking for work over the weekend. Been reading up on these forums in the interim.
Thing is, I've noticed most teaching jobs start up in September and October. I've still got immunizations and other things to take care of here in the states, so I'm quickly running out of time to get those positions. If I miss the start of the school year, I'm worried that I'll have to wait another 6 to 12 months just to find my first job!
Being wet behind the ears, I'm torn between taking the first flight out to Vietnam to try stealing a position before its too late or finding work as a burger flipper for a year until I'm more prepared.
My question is: Should I book those tickets now, or are there other positions available for upstarts like me during the winter months as well? I'd certainly like more time to get things ready (my Cambridge-approved certificate doesn't even come in for another 6 weeks), but I don't want to miss the boat and get stranded at McDonald's for a whole year. |
The WHEN varies widely from country to country.
China may start in Sept but the 1st term is ending in Sept in Thailand, you are 2nd month of the 2nd term in Korea and middle of 1st term in the Philippines.
The "WHEN" also varies with the type of job.
If you are looking at teaching adults in the average McD Language academy then all year is a good time to jump on a plane.
If you are looking at a kids academy then closer to the academic year is better but there are still jobs year round.
If you are looking at real schools then you want to be looking anywhere from 2-6 months in advance of the job start.
IN ASIA, if you have your degree you do NOT need a TEFL (CELTA or any other flavor) and in most cases your employer will ignore it anyway (the degree is what is needed for the work visa and the white face and anglophone passport gets you the job).
You are correct in that most of the jobs in Asia do involve teaching kids.
don't be afraid of working with kids. The pay is better, the work is (although more energetic) easier and generally more fun.
You don't qualify for a university position anyplace (except backwater China for 3000cny per month). If you want to teach adults, then look south of the Rio Grande rather than west to Asia.
You can pretty much scratch Spain (or anyplace else in Western Europe) off your list (you won't get legal work). You may want to look at Eastern Europe if you want to work with adults but you will need a sizable chunk of change to tide you over till you finally get your meager pay.
I am sure others will chime in to correct any mistakes I have made and make further comments as to potential "where's).
I would like to make one addition. IF you are looking at Asia then you better start thinking about getting your documentation in order soon. Some of them take MONTHS to get ready.
Depending on the country you may need:
i) certified true copies of your degree (with an apostille for Korea) along with your original parchment.
ii) (official, sealed) university transcripts (1-3 sets)
iii) criminal background check (state level for many jobs and FBI for Taiwan and FBI with an apostille for Korea).
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Jonikiro
Joined: 28 Aug 2011 Posts: 26
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, tttompatz. Your reply has lots of useful information. You bring up a particularly interesting point, though.
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(the degree is what is needed for the work visa and the white face and anglophone passport gets you the job). |
I created a post about this elsewhere on the board. I'm actually Hispanic (though I was born in California, English is my native tongue, and I don't speak Spanish). My concern with Asia in general was that my darker skin color could hurt my employment chances since, as you say, they tend to look for the white face and anglophone passport.
The other post had a few reassuring replies, but the point certainly doesn't appear to be moot. From what I understand of your post, I still have months of paperwork to fill out before I can even leave the states. That being said, I'd like to know if I should even bother with Asia if my heritage is going to be an obstacle.
In your opinion, would I be better off south of the Rio Grande instead? My concern with South America is the massive surge of violent crime around Brazil and the surrounding area. It certainly doesn't seem safe... |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Jonikiro wrote: |
Thanks, tttompatz. Your reply has lots of useful information. You bring up a particularly interesting point, though.
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(the degree is what is needed for the work visa and the white face and anglophone passport gets you the job). |
I created a post about this elsewhere on the board. I'm actually Hispanic (though I was born in California, English is my native tongue, and I don't speak Spanish). My concern with Asia in general was that my darker skin color could hurt my employment chances since, as you say, they tend to look for the white face and anglophone passport.
The other post had a few reassuring replies, but the point certainly doesn't appear to be moot. From what I understand of your post, I still have months of paperwork to fill out before I can even leave the states. That being said, I'd like to know if I should even bother with Asia if my heritage is going to be an obstacle.
In your opinion, would I be better off south of the Rio Grande instead? My concern with South America is the massive surge of violent crime around Brazil and the surrounding area. It certainly doesn't seem safe... |
Will your heritage play a roll = yes.
Is it an insurmountable problem = no. Your US passport (one of the major anglophone countries) plays a much bigger roll. (Stay out of the sun.. a deep summer suntan won't work in your favor. - 1/2 tongue in cheek 1/2 serious. )
As to Asia or south ....
If you want adults go south.
If you want money go west and work with kids in Asia.
It doesn't matter where you want to go, you DO need to get your paperwork started. You do need the degree, transcripts, CBC and a
PASSPORT before you can even be considered for jobs abroad.
(yes, there are exceptions to each of the requirements listed above but by-and-large you will need some or all of them depending on your country of choice and the passport is ALWAYS a requirement). Get started now.
The typical timeline (IF you have all your required documents in hand and have your passport) is 12-21 days from job offer to stepping on the plane (for jobs found from abroad).
In many countries you won't find much if anything of value from abroad. Boots on the ground is what is required for anything decent in terms of employment so you need to have your paperwork ready before you book your ticket.
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Jonikiro
Joined: 28 Aug 2011 Posts: 26
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Your replies continue to fill in the pocked, hazy image that is my future. I'm very grateful!
Paperwork seems to be my biggest hurdle at the moment.
-I already have my passport
-My CELTA certificate arrives in 6 weeks.
-A police clearance certificate will take 2 months.
-I can get my transcripts fairly quickly.
-I can also bring my BA degree, if needed
-Wasn't sure what a CBC was. Complete blood count?
It seems like I have much waiting yet to do. I guess I'll just practice lesson plans and read Scrivener/Swan in the meantime. Also, more research would help, it seems.
I suppose I can take this time to stay indoors and pale up a bit, as well. |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Jonikiro wrote: |
Your replies continue to fill in the pocked, hazy image that is my future. I'm very grateful!
Paperwork seems to be my biggest hurdle at the moment.
-I already have my passport
-My CELTA certificate arrives in 6 weeks.
-A police clearance certificate will take 2 months.
-I can get my transcripts fairly quickly.
-I can also bring my BA degree, if needed
-Wasn't sure what a CBC was. Complete blood count?
It seems like I have much waiting yet to do. I guess I'll just practice lesson plans and read Scrivener/Swan in the meantime. Also, more research would help, it seems.
I suppose I can take this time to stay indoors and pale up a bit, as well. |
CBC / CRC ; criminal background check, criminal record check, police clearance - synonymous terms.
IF you are not headed to Korea or Taiwan then a simple state level check will be sufficient (takes days or weeks instead of months).
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:37 am Post subject: |
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There are always last minute jobs out there. Try Dave's, TEFL.com and serious teachers. You could always register with a recruiter just in case. Best of luck! |
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Jonikiro
Joined: 28 Aug 2011 Posts: 26
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, everyone. Sorry for the late replies. It was time for me to hit the hay and I've just woken up.
This thread has been immensely useful. Most of my questions have been answered, and I've been pointed in the right direction for points I still need to research further. I'll certainly look into positions that require only state level checks.
A huge thank you goes out to you, tttompatz. I know how frustrating it can be to answer the same question dozens, if not hundreds of times. The more I learn about answers, however, the I more I learn about which questions I should be asking. I can guarantee that you've taught a man to fish this day.
And thank you, Naturegirl. You've been a big help in both of these threads. I look forward to offering what little I can to you and everyone else on this board in the coming months and years. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Running out of time. Any work after September? |
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Jonikiro wrote: |
Thing is, I've noticed most teaching jobs start up in September and October. |
What countries have you been pursuing? Just Vietnam? Most jobs here in Japan start in April.
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I've still got immunizations and other things to take care of here in the states, so I'm quickly running out of time to get those positions. If I miss the start of the school year, I'm worried that I'll have to wait another 6 to 12 months just to find my first job! |
That's the risk we all take. Conversation schools usually hire year round, though. Have you looked into them? Pretty basic as an entry level job in this business.
Don't worry about your Hispanic background in lots of places. They will often look only at your passport. If you are concerned or curious, go to the country-specific forum and ask. Kind of hard to explain here when all you have said is SE Asia for a target. |
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Jonikiro
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Conversation schools usually hire year round, though. Have you looked into them? Pretty basic as an entry level job in this business. |
In fact, Glenski, I'm still only peripherally aware of "conversation schools." On my CELTA course, we spent a month teaching Haitian and Burmese refugees how to use survival English (ordering food, getting a job, finding a date, etc.). It wasn't at a school per se, but at a "Teaching House" in San Diego. They were owned by IH, I believe.
Is that what a Conversation school is? The only jobs I've been able to find have involved children, so I'd just assumed those were at "real" schools and ours was just a strange outlier. Apologies if I sound naive about the subject, but I'd only become aware of these conversation schools about a month ago. Where can I find out more about these "schools?"
Btw, thanks for the tip about checking out country-specific forums. I'm slowly getting integrated into the forums here. As I start pinpointing possible areas to teach in, I'll make sure to check out the relevant forums here on the board. |
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