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Menino80
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 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject: Moving to Beijing |
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I arrive in BJ Oct 24th on an L visa, my intent is to study for 2 months and then look for work and make a trip to Seoul to get the visa switched.
What would I need to bring with me to secure employment? Just transcripts? Would I need a copy of my degree? I don't want to bring the original.
Also, are there any good sites to find short term housing? I would like to get a place for a month while I look around and would rather not pay hotel/hostel rates. Thanks. |
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lockedinadrawer
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Many threads and the web CLEARLY show the necessary credentials required to secure employment.
Why would "just transcripts" secure such a thing? You don't want to bring your original degree? Interesting.
Review the multitude of information then get back to us. |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| lockedinadrawer wrote: |
Many threads and the web CLEARLY show the necessary credentials required to secure employment.
Why would "just transcripts" secure such a thing? You don't want to bring your original degree? Interesting.
Review the multitude of information then get back to us. |
No, they don't. Hence the question. China is not the most straightforward of places when it comes to regulation, rule of law, and information. Info is CLEARLY contradictory, vague, and outdated, and a substandard search function doesn't help either.
Why is the fact that I wouldn't want to bring a degree "interesting"? What an odd choice of words. Instead of trying to be coy, just say what you want to say. Easy enough isn't it, Ms. Marple?
e: Why wouldn't "just transcripts" secure it? Where is stated in the pantheon on human knowledge that this requirement would be beyond the pale of employment criteria? Please point me to this, as you found it worth your time to post in this thread. |
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7969
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Regarding transcripts, I just had a look at a copy of mine. These may not cut it on their own because to some the transcript is nothing more than a mishmash of course code, high numbers and the letter A interspersed with the letter B (in my case  ) It does indicate near the top of the transcript Degree conferred in dd/mm/yyyy but it's in normal size font and is easy to miss. No employer in China (or anywhere else for that matter) has ever asked for my transcripts and until this morning they hadn't seen the light of day in about eight years (they appear to be meaningless here).
Early in my ESL career I applied at a number of schools some of which asked for the original degree parchment. I had a copy of the degree and copies of transcripts on hand but that wasn't good enough in some cases. Anticipating that I might have future problems gaining employment I had my sister courier the degree parchment to me. It weighs a little more than a sheet of paper, I keep it in a plastic document holder to protect it, and I have it on hand in case a potential employer wants or needs to see it. Since 2005 I've been asked for the original copy of my degree twice, and I accepted both jobs. Keep in mind that there's an obsession with certificates in some countries (incl. China), and employers may want to see them. My degree parchment has proven far more useful than my transcripts and it hasn't been a burden carrying it around.
In my opinion any reputable employer anywhere will want to see the original degree and even more importantly will follow that up with a phone call to the registrar's office at the school you graduated from to verify it's real (this is possible now because of the plethora of fake degrees out there). If an employer in China or any other country wants to see the parchment and you don't have it, they may or may not hire you. Whether or not you produce it is up to you. |
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Lobster
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Well, given the fact that you're choosing to arrive on the wrong type of visa to start with, you'll probably encounter a nice range of problems. A tourist visa is not meant for those who wish to study here; that's an X visa. You can certainly enter on a tourist visa and try to study; just accept that you may get turfed and fined. It's as simple as that.
You certainly don't have to bring the originals of your degrees; just accept that you may get turned down for jobs or FECs when you can't produce them. It's as simple as that.
Short-term rentals? Can't help there. Maybe share an apartment; and you might find info on thatsmagazines or beijingexpat.
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Menino80
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Well, given the fact that you're choosing to arrive on the wrong type of visa to start with, you'll probably encounter a nice range of problems. A tourist visa is not meant for those who wish to study here; that's an X visa. You can certainly enter on a tourist visa and try to study; just accept that you may get turfed and fined. It's as simple as that.
You certainly don't have to bring the originals of your degrees; just accept that you may get turned down for jobs or FECs when you can't produce them. It's as simple as that.
Short-term rentals? Can't help there. Maybe share an apartment; and you might find info on thatsmagazines or beijingexpat.
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I was told that an X visa is for long term study, and that most short term schools have told me directly that an L is fine as long as I don't indicate this on my application.
So the degree is required for the FEC or not? This is why I ask. There's nothing that I could find from the Ministry of Foreign Expertise that indicates what exactly is required for the school to be able to receive a paper. I guess I'll bring it it's just one more thing to get pinched or misplaced and I don't feel like dropping another $50 to get a spare.
Anyway thanks for the replies from everyone. |
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choudoufu
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a copy of your degree/diploma/sheepskin/wallpaper is fine.
most will be happy with a scanned and emailed version.
transcripts are meaningless.
x-visa is for long-term (6 months+) study.
for short-term study, an f-visa is the way to go.
or you could skip straight to getting a z-visa in your home country.
avoid having your visa application denied in seoul. |
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Lobster
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Sure, they don't want you writing that on your tourist visa application because it would be denied.
I used the word "may" because it's really a reflection of how things are here. You may have no problem with copies; then again you may. It depends on the city, province, person behind the desk, your school, the weather...
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Scott 1955
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Menino80
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
a copy of your degree/diploma/sheepskin/wallpaper is fine.
most will be happy with a scanned and emailed version.
transcripts are meaningless.
x-visa is for long-term (6 months+) study.
for short-term study, an f-visa is the way to go.
or you could skip straight to getting a z-visa in your home country.
avoid having your visa application denied in seoul. |
Is this likely to happen? even with all the necessary documents? Is it because its' in Seoul?
is it possible to get a Z without a job offer? i'd rather look while i'm in Beijing. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
| choudoufu wrote: |
....or you could skip straight to getting a z-visa in your home country.
avoid having your visa application denied in seoul. |
Is this likely to happen? even with all the necessary documents? Is it because its' in Seoul?
is it possible to get a Z without a job offer? i'd rather look while i'm in Beijing. |
likely? dunno. possible? absotively. the embassies in some countries
are stricter than others. i've read (not experienced) that thailand and
vietnam will only issue a z-visa if you have a long-term work or study
visa in that country. i recall reading something similar recently about
korea.
you cannot get a z-visa (legally) without a sponsor. more than just an
offer, the employer must apply for work permit and visa authorization. |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
| choudoufu wrote: |
....or you could skip straight to getting a z-visa in your home country.
avoid having your visa application denied in seoul. |
Is this likely to happen? even with all the necessary documents? Is it because its' in Seoul?
is it possible to get a Z without a job offer? i'd rather look while i'm in Beijing. |
likely? dunno. possible? absotively. the embassies in some countries
are stricter than others. i've read (not experienced) that thailand and
vietnam will only issue a z-visa if you have a long-term work or study
visa in that country. i recall reading something similar recently about
korea.
you cannot get a z-visa (legally) without a sponsor. more than just an
offer, the employer must apply for work permit and visa authorization. |
I see. You're saying that if I haven't been on a Korean work visa when applying for a Chinese Z, even with my Chinese employer providing a work permit and visa authorization, I could get rejected by the Chinese embassy in Seoul? |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| However, if it is only 6,000 RMB per month...maybe it is good enough! |
6,000 with housing is like 8,000-10,000 without. Don't forget the hours you actually work. 6,000 at 20 hours or less (going home after classes) is a lot better than 8-10,000 where you have to do 25 hours and put in 15 hours of office time.
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| You're saying that if I haven't been on a Korean work visa when applying for a Chinese Z, even with my Chinese employer providing a work permit and visa authorization, I could get rejected by the Chinese embassy in Seoul? |
Who said this? This is rather simple, you don't need to infer absurd things and ignore the obvious. Bring your diploma, when you find an employer give it and passport to your employer. They will get the paperwork sorted that you need. Get your diploma back and passport. Then, go to Korea, get your Z visa, and you are done. That easy. |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| askiptochina wrote: |
Who said this? This is rather simple, you don't need to infer absurd things and ignore the obvious. Bring your diploma, when you find an employer give it and passport to your employer. They will get the paperwork sorted that you need. Get your diploma back and passport. Then, go to Korea, get your Z visa, and you are done. That easy. |
Nothing that I inferred was absurd and nothing stated was obvious, if you don't who said what go through the threads and look it up. Try it out. Use your comprehension skills. Get back to me. |
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dean_a_jones
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