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Advice on working in China for a Newbie
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:05 am    Post subject: Re: Thanks for the advice Reply with quote

But this experience you attribute to western people only accounts for a small percent. How many people are in "student council, debate club, competitive sports, drama club etc" in the West. I know I wasn't in any groups or sports.

For many Western students life has now become about doing the things to get into a good university, like a good gaokao score. These activities are in many cases not natural interests to the students, but something they must do, are forced to do, are expected to do. It takes up most of their time, and when it is done it is usually left behind. (Reading is not really a verifiable interest).

As far as understanding themselves and what they want, well, they are about at the same level as their Chinese counterparts.

My example of the writing class might not have been so clear. The problem with many of my classmates was the inability to think for themselves. We often romanticize our experiences and I think many people tend to do that with their education. Academically the students at my university were great. However, most tended to simply absorb things and not react to them. They also lacked experience with life outside of television. Their experiences were what their mom/dad expect and what they saw on tv.

It is a very small minority of first year university students who are actually ready to do it. I think Chinese students get a bad wrap because many people have skewed expectations. They are not you in university, they are John Doe, the guy you never met.
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dean_a_jones



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: Thanks for the advice Reply with quote

wangdaning wrote:
But this experience you attribute to western people only accounts for a small percent. How many people are in "student council, debate club, competitive sports, drama club etc" in the West. I know I wasn't in any groups or sports.


Sure, clubs and societies (particularly ones related to schools) are not something everyone participates in. But people do have a life outside of the classroom, in particular a social life, which I am afraid students here (or at least the ones I met) really seem to lack. For the last two summers I have done English language interviews with high school students seeking places in our school in the upcoming semester. What I find incredibly sad (and also see as a big factor in their lack of 'lifestyle balance') is when they talk about hobbies.

    "Oh, you can play the piano/guitar/erhu--how often each week do you do that?"

    "I don't anymore, I don't have time because of study"


And when it comes to things like playing basketball with friends, drawing, whatever they like, they seem to do these things for an hour or two a week (or at least that is what I hear).

Holding a job in particular and the idea of balancing that with High School life, learning responsibility, dealing responsibly with the money you earn (or at least that's the hope) is common where I was from once you hit 15 or 16. Learning to drive and owning a car was another big (non-educational) responsibility students had, as was going on independent summer holidays with friends (when 16 or 17). I don't think it is at all common here. I honestly think that many students here spend 90% of their time either in the classroom, studying at a desk, eating food or sleeping.

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For many Western students life has now become about doing the things to get into a good university, like a good gaokao score. These activities are in many cases not natural interests to the students, but something they must do, are forced to do, are expected to do. It takes up most of their time, and when it is done it is usually left behind. (Reading is not really a verifiable interest).

As far as understanding themselves and what they want, well, they are about at the same level as their Chinese counterparts.


I still disagree, though I think often students are doing these things because they need them to get into good schools. But those that don't hang out, have fun, get jobs, go to malls (on their own) to buy things, date, generally have a 'complex' social life.


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However, most tended to simply absorb things and not react to them. They also lacked experience with life outside of television. Their experiences were what their mom/dad expect and what they saw on tv.

It is a very small minority of first year university students who are actually ready to do it. I think Chinese students get a bad wrap because many people have skewed expectations. They are not you in university, they are John Doe, the guy you never met.


Maybe it is an American thing, but that is not my impression of UK university students (though having grown up in the US I don't think this would be true). I am not suggesting everyone entering university in the UK is a well-adjusted, thoughtful, creative person--they are certainly not (and part of the reason behind going to university, whether they know it or not, is to learn these kinds of things as much as academic knowledge).

Nevertheless the idea that Chinese students are of a comparable social and mental maturity is, in my experience, simply not true. My students are not like children--I would just guess that they are two or three years younger than they actually are if I didn't know them and observed them for a while/spoke to them about their life, interests etc. They just seem to face social challenges like those listed above 2 - 4 years later than western students, and therefore develop socially that little bit later.

I do realise that everything I am saying is based on my own experiences, in the US, the UK and China, and the people I have encountered in each place.
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