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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:

For the UK, I've heard it's more expensive since you have to go to a solicitor.


You have to go to a notary public in the UK, and there is a very limited number of them. They can charge whatever they like, so it's worth shopping round. We found that for more than 5 documents it was cheaper to pay by the hour and get a few copies done. (In the UK you can get photocopies of some documents notarised and apostilled, I'm not sure if that is true for all countries).

We paid around �150/hr in one of the cheaper parts of the UK.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had to get various things apostilled, but always at times when I was living abroad. I ended up going to the British Embassy, and they did all this for me. Maybe this is the equivalent of sending them all to the FCO, but it certainly wasn't as expensive or as much hassle as the procedures / costs already quoted. But this wasn't for things like degree certificate, but for "nulla osta" and declarations of marital status.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
naturegirl321 wrote:

For the UK, I've heard it's more expensive since you have to go to a solicitor.


You have to go to a notary public in the UK, and there is a very limited number of them. They can charge whatever they like, so it's worth shopping round. We found that for more than 5 documents it was cheaper to pay by the hour and get a few copies done. (In the UK you can get photocopies of some documents notarised and apostilled, I'm not sure if that is true for all countries).

We paid around �150/hr in one of the cheaper parts of the UK.

Shopping around pays then. My friend ended up paying 200 pounds just for her degree.

I don't know about British embassies, but the US seems to change all the stinking time. For example, they could apostillise my docs from IL, but not from CA in Peru. And here in KOrea, they've pretty much stopped doing anything except sworn affidavits.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few documents that can done locally, usually things related to birth, marriage or death, but not education certificates. When you get an education certificate apostilled through an embassy, they send them back to the FCO in the UK, where it gets apostilled and sent back to the Embassy. However, it may allow you to bypass the notary stage, as certain British Council and British Embassy officials can notarise documents. Although even when they do, they may charge as much as a notary in the UK.

It has to be done that way because all the apostille actually certifies is that the person who notarised the document is authorised to do so and that the signature/seal is genuine. So they can only check that for UK registered notaries.

The whole thing is pretty ridiculous, the notary checks your ID documents and certifies that either this is the actual document that was brought to them, or it is a true copy of the actual document. The FCO then certifies that the notary was authorised to certify it, and that the seal/signature is genuine. No-one ever actually certifies that the documents themselves are genuine, but it fulfills the requirements of the Hague Convention.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
naturegirl321 wrote:

For the UK, I've heard it's more expensive since you have to go to a solicitor.


You have to go to a notary public in the UK, and there is a very limited number of them. They can charge whatever they like, so it's worth shopping round. We found that for more than 5 documents it was cheaper to pay by the hour and get a few copies done. (In the UK you can get photocopies of some documents notarised and apostilled, I'm not sure if that is true for all countries).

We paid around �150/hr in one of the cheaper parts of the UK.


If you were notarizing documents for work visa purposes, then you were ripped off. 5 - 10 quid per document is more usual for notarizing degree certificates and/or criminal background checks. Some places will try and screw you over, but there are law firms out there that charge a bare minimum (as they should).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notaries can charge whatever they want. It depends where you live, and how much competition there is locally. I contacted every notary within 1 1/2 hour drive and the cheapest quote I got was �25 per document. I ended up going to one who had a more expensive rate per document, but a lower hourly rate.

Last time I went back to UK I had to get a couple more certificates done and paid �25 per document in a different county on the other side of the country.

Between the two occasions I probably spoke to around 20 different notaries, and none charged less than �25, most charged a lot more. There probably are places that charge �10 per document (though �5 would be incredibly cheap, and frankly not worth their while), but if it means driving for 3 hours to find them, it's hardly worth it. I would also imagine there are places in the South East that charge many times more than that.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Stares, if you have a bank account, you can get any document notarized for free at that bank - at least, I've always been able to do so.

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John
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
In the Stares, if you have a bank account, you can get any document notarized for free at that bank - at least, I've always been able to do so.

Regards,
John


Yep, banks are lovely Smile But you'll still have to pay the Sec of State to get it apostillised.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't notarizing and apostilling documents two different things? Anyone who is certified can notarize a document, but I thought an apostille could only be given by the government.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithrn1983 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't notarizing and apostilling documents two different things? Anyone who is certified can notarize a document, but I thought an apostille could only be given by the government.


You're right. IN the US, first it goes to the notary for the notarisation, then the Sec of State or Dept of State for the apostille.

There are exceptions. Things issued by the govt often come with some type of stamp (birth, death, marriage, divorce certs, criminal background checks) and can go straight to the Sec or Dept of State.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
Notaries can charge whatever they want. It depends where you live, and how much competition there is locally. I contacted every notary within 1 1/2 hour drive and the cheapest quote I got was �25 per document. I ended up going to one who had a more expensive rate per document, but a lower hourly rate.

Last time I went back to UK I had to get a couple more certificates done and paid �25 per document in a different county on the other side of the country.

Between the two occasions I probably spoke to around 20 different notaries, and none charged less than �25, most charged a lot more. There probably are places that charge �10 per document (though �5 would be incredibly cheap, and frankly not worth their while), but if it means driving for 3 hours to find them, it's hardly worth it. I would also imagine there are places in the South East that charge many times more than that.


Technically speaking, it has to be a notary. In Scotland, a regular solicitor will suffice. There are firms that charge a fiver right beside the FCO office in Milton Keynes for those that live close by. There are firms in London that charge a tenner. Some of the firms near the FCO will accept postal requests for notarizing and then will pass on to the FCO for apostille.
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