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yamanote senbei
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| JohnRambo wrote: |
| I have no time for illegal garbage and would let the employer have it, if he is fishy. |
Westgate is quite fishy, John.
They don't enroll their teachers in Shakai Hoken, which is a violation of the Health Insurance Law. They also require their teachers to be at work nine hours a day, which will most likely have them working beyond the maximum weekly allowed by the Labour Standards Law. They should also be paid overtime for those five hours over forty weekly that they are forced to work. If not it would be another Labour Standards Law violation.
If it is actual worker dispatch that Westgate is doing, there is a violation the Law for Securing the Proper Operation of Worker Dispatching Undertakings and Improved Working Conditions for Dispatched Workers for not enrolling their workers in Shakai Hoken.
What I believe Glenski was referring to was a violation of the Law For The Standards Of The Establishment Of Universities. EWA Osaka was in a dispute with Kobe Shoin a few years ago over dispatched teachers sent there, and a violation of that law, but that dispute appears to have been resolved.
This is a just quick list. There could be more violations.
If you are currently working for Westgate, or plan to, it would be best if you start doing some research on your rights.
http://tokyogeneralunion.org |
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simonenglish
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="yamanote senbei"]
| JohnRambo wrote: |
They don't enroll their teachers in Shakai Hoken, which is a violation of the Health Insurance Law. They also require their teachers to be at work nine hours a day, which will most likely have them working beyond the maximum weekly allowed by the Labour Standards Law. |
You never work nine hours, it is 9-5 including your one hour lunch break. Or 10-6 depending on the campus...
Also, the contract is only for three months, and I seem to recall that any Shakai Hoken enrolment is for job contracts over six months or some such finer detail. |
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Sublime
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Was just about to research westgate then saw this thread.
Happy Days! |
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Sublime
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, so I've read through this thread and I have one question; Does it really matter if a job is 'illegal' or not? As at the end of the day it's a job right......and if you get paid more then surely that's a good thing. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Sublime,
You are not protected by labor laws very well, if at all, if you're working illegally. If someone decided to do something about your situation, well, I leave it to you. I would hate to be looking over my shoulder all the time.
One does not have to be a human rights crusader, but peace of mind counts for a lot. |
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Inflames
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: |
| Ok, so I've read through this thread and I have one question; Does it really matter if a job is 'illegal' or not? As at the end of the day it's a job right......and if you get paid more then surely that's a good thing. |
Yes, it does. I highly doubt someone would say that if we were discussing selling drugs or something similar, for example.
Jobs are illegal for a reason. If labor inspectors show up and put Westgate out of business (or make the uni cancel Westgate's contract) you can be out of a job in 20 seconds or so. |
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TTTT
Joined: 29 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Inflames wrote: |
Jobs are illegal for a reason. If labor inspectors show up and put Westgate out of business (or make the uni cancel Westgate's contract) you can be out of a job in 20 seconds or so. |
But that's not going to happen...so take the money, get the experience, and move on to something else when you are ready. It's hardly worth listening to ivory tower folk from down in the trenches. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not going to happen? Don't be so sure. It has happened. |
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Mr_Monkey
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| TTTT, you never answered my question - do you work for Westgate? |
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It's Scary!
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Admittedly, I have no horse in this race, but, why in the world would anyone go anywhere to work illegally? Do bank robbers go from continent-to-continent to rob banks?
It's a mystery to me! |
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TTTT
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Mr_Monkey wrote: |
| TTTT, you never answered my question - do you work for Westgate? |
I didn't answer your question because I would never reveal that kind of information on a public forum like this. Why don't you tell the whole world what university you work for? My guess is you wouldn't want to do that because you said: "its English department is the least professional and single most disorganised place I've ever worked." |
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seklarwia
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| It's Scary! wrote: |
| Do bank robbers go from continent-to-continent to rob banks? |
Umm... why wouldn't they? Criminals of all descriptions often travel from continent to continent for "work". A bad analogy me thinks  |
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Mr_Monkey
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| TTTT wrote: |
| Mr_Monkey wrote: |
| TTTT, you never answered my question - do you work for Westgate? |
I didn't answer your question because I would never reveal that kind of information on a public forum like this. Why don't you tell the whole world what university you work for? My guess is you wouldn't want to do that because you said: "its English department is the least professional and single most disorganised place I've ever worked." |
Ha! That's right. I'm exercising my right to anonymity to express my opinions online. You, however, have an interest in defending Westgate's university "program".
Just so we're clear about your motivations. |
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TTTT
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| It's Scary! wrote: |
| Do bank robbers go from continent-to-continent to rob banks? |
| seklarwia wrote: |
| Umm... why wouldn't they? Criminals of all descriptions often travel from continent to continent for "work". A bad analogy me thinks |
My thoughts too. Ever heard of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid??
It's an international bank-robbing movie! |
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TTTT
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| TTTT wrote: |
I didn't answer your question because I would never reveal that kind of information on a public forum like this. Why don't you tell the whole world what university you work for? |
| Mr_Monkey wrote: |
Ha! That's right. I'm exercising my right to anonymity to express my opinions online. You, however, have an interest in defending Westgate's university "program".
Just so we're clear about your motivations. |
Wrong. I have an interest in giving realistic advice and deflecting the negativity that I see perpetuated by you and others on this sight. If you want to assume that defending a company equates to working for a company, be my guest. |
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