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naturegirl321
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| I've heard that Thailand requires people to have a TEFL cert in order to get a work visa. Is this true? If so, it seems that Thailand is setting the standards for teachers. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:06 am Post subject: Re: TEFL cert required for visa? |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| I've heard that Thailand requires people to have a TEFL cert in order to get a work visa. Is this true? If so, it seems that Thailand is setting the standards for teachers. |
NOT true.
NO degree and a TEFL may (can/will) get you a work permit with a non-b somewhere out in the far reaches of rural Issan. It won't get you a legal job in any metropolitan center.
A degree (in anything) will get you a work permit anywhere in the kingdom. A TEFL cert is NOT a requirement of immigration, the MOE (labor office) or the TCT (Thai Council of Teachers)
Some of the language academies insist on a TEFL cert. but it is NOT a visa/immigration/MOE/TCT requirement.
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:15 am Post subject: Re: TEFL cert required for visa? |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
NOT true.
NO degree and a TEFL may (can/will) get you a work permit with a non-b somewhere out in the far reaches of rural Issan. It won't get you a legal job in any metropolitan center.
A degree (in anything) will get you a work permit anywhere in the kingdom. A TEFL cert is NOT a requirement of immigration, the MOE (labor office) or the TCT (Thai Council of Teachers)
Some of the language academies insist on a TEFL cert. but it is NOT a visa/immigration/MOE/TCT requirement. |
What's a non-b? Darn, I thought Thailand was going to be one of the first to require TEFL certs. Any reason why most the jobs here on DAve's require one? |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:28 am Post subject: Re: TEFL cert required for visa? |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
NOT true.
NO degree and a TEFL may (can/will) get you a work permit with a non-b somewhere out in the far reaches of rural Issan. It won't get you a legal job in any metropolitan center.
A degree (in anything) will get you a work permit anywhere in the kingdom. A TEFL cert is NOT a requirement of immigration, the MOE (labor office) or the TCT (Thai Council of Teachers)
Some of the language academies insist on a TEFL cert. but it is NOT a visa/immigration/MOE/TCT requirement. |
What's a non-b? Darn, I thought Thailand was going to be one of the first to require TEFL certs. Any reason why most the jobs here on DAve's require one? |
Non-b = E class in Korea. Visa that permits work. class of work is determined by your work permit.
Why do jobs ask for one = until the mid/late 2000's a degree wasn't required by immigration/TCT/MOE so the TEFL cert was all anyone here had back then.
Even now, in some provinces it is an either/or and NOT a both.
In places like BKK the degree is required for legal work but many employers will take a white face and a CELTA (even if they are not native English speakers) because they can't get a NET with a degree who is willing to work for 20-25k baht per month and they won't pay any more.
Most employers don't care. TEFL and white face works and they will skip the TEFL if they have to (they also pay crap). I would guess that about 1/2 of all teachers here are illegal and only have a high school diploma and a TEFL cert.
Anyone with a degree, a passport from an anglophone country and a pulse can land a legal job in a heartbeat (although not usually next to a beach).
Those with a little wherewithal (and at least the brainpower that Ghod gave to green apples) can usually do as good (or better) here than they can in Korea, Taiwan, China or Japan.
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: Re: TEFL cert required for visa? |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
I would guess that about 1/2 of all teachers here are illegal and only have a high school diploma and a TEFL cert.
Those with a little wherewithal (and at least the brainpower that Ghod gave to green apples) can usually do as good (or better) here than they can in Korea, Taiwan, China or Japan. . |
Wow, that many teachers? I thought it was "the brains God gave geese"  |
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Shimokitazawa
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Naturegirl,
How are things? I've been looking into Thailand again also.
Will send you a PM. |
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Shimokitazawa
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: TEFL cert required for visa? |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| I've heard that Thailand requires people to have a TEFL cert in order to get a work visa. Is this true? If so, it seems that Thailand is setting the standards for teachers. |
NOT true.
NO degree and a TEFL may (can/will) get you a work permit with a non-b somewhere out in the far reaches of rural Issan. It won't get you a legal job in any metropolitan center.
A degree (in anything) will get you a work permit anywhere in the kingdom. A TEFL cert is NOT a requirement of immigration, the MOE (labor office) or the TCT (Thai Council of Teachers)
Some of the language academies insist on a TEFL cert. but it is NOT a visa/immigration/MOE/TCT requirement.
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tttompatz,
What would you say is the average salary these days for a university TEFL teacher? Where does one look to see such jobs advertised? I've followed Chronicle of Higher Ed., MOD EDIT (a little bit anyways but not recently) and even Daves, but not much turns up.
Are Univ. TEFL teachers in Bangkok generally highly qualified - i.e., relevant graduate degrees and CELTAs / DELTAs, published, etc.? |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: TEFL cert required for visa? |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
tttompatz,
What would you say is the average salary these days for a university TEFL teacher? Where does one look to see such jobs advertised? I've followed Chronicle of Higher Ed., MOD EDIT (a little bit anyways but not recently) and even Daves, but not much turns up.
Are Univ. TEFL teachers in Bangkok generally highly qualified - i.e., relevant graduate degrees and CELTAs / DELTAs, published, etc.? |
Uni TEFL lecturers go from poorly paid to well paid (depending on the uni rank and your qualifications).
Starting salaries (unless you hold a ABD/PhD) are usually in the same range as a TEFL teacher (35k baht) but with much lighter class loads and lots of opportunity to make money on the side.
MOD EDIT for a few at the low end of the scale. Jobs should be posted in Dec/Jan for May/June starts. Higher end jobs are usually filled by networking (it is all about who you know and who knows you).
Decent money can be made in the bilingual or EP programs of regular k-12 schools (40k-ish to start and move up after you are a "proven entity"). Most other non-language-academy jobs will be in the 35k range for your starting salary (lower salaries are offered in the tourist areas like ChangMai, Pattaya, Phuket or the other islands).
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
Hey Naturegirl,
How are things? I've been looking into Thailand again also.
Will send you a PM. |
Pretty good, still walking and not waddling  |
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Shimokitazawa
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: TEFL cert required for visa? |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
tttompatz,
What would you say is the average salary these days for a university TEFL teacher? Where does one look to see such jobs advertised? I've followed Chronicle of Higher Ed., MOD EDIT (a little bit anyways but not recently) and even Daves, but not much turns up.
Are Univ. TEFL teachers in Bangkok generally highly qualified - i.e., relevant graduate degrees and CELTAs / DELTAs, published, etc.? |
Uni TEFL lecturers go from poorly paid to well paid (depending on the uni rank and your qualifications).
Starting salaries (unless you hold a ABD/PhD) are usually in the same range as a TEFL teacher (35k baht) but with much lighter class loads and lots of opportunity to make money on the side.
MOD EDIT for a few at the low end of the scale. Jobs should be posted in Dec/Jan for May/June starts. Higher end jobs are usually filled by networking (it is all about who you know and who knows you).
Decent money can be made in the bilingual or EP programs of regular k-12 schools (40k-ish to start and move up after you are a "proven entity"). Most other non-language-academy jobs will be in the 35k range for your starting salary (lower salaries are offered in the tourist areas like ChangMai, Pattaya, Phuket or the other islands). |
Thanks. I guess it's better to be there before the hiring season and take whatever one can find - even if it is a lower ranking school and work from there getting to know people and networking, etc. |
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PattyFlipper
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: TEFL cert required for visa? |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| I've heard that Thailand requires people to have a TEFL cert in order to get a work visa. Is this true? If so, it seems that Thailand is setting the standards for teachers. |
Heaven forbid that Thailand should ever 'set the standards' for teachers. Or indeed for anything else. |
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