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wangdaning
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| dean_a_jones wrote: |
I think wangdaning is almost right (almost because my thoughtful post followed his). |
Sorry dean. It just seems the thread was ready to be locked once a clear cut answer was given. No need for people to go off in their little worlds. Maybe they were drunk or high on moon cakes or something.
The OP said nothing about having a tattoo nor did they question what diseases will get you denied. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:38 am Post subject: |
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I am absolutely guilty of going off on a tangent. I originally was answering Dean's last sentence about other experiences. But let's be clear how the thread got off it's tracks:
One poster alluded to the fact that a tattooed individual should be tough enough to put up with a needle.
One poster called me snide.
One poster criticized another poster's English.
It was only then I piped up, and trying to do so in a humourous and entertaining way.
My apologies.
But as for the comments by others and myself on diseases, those are absolutely in-context and on-topic because those are the reasons why they test us all for.
I think we've pretty much answered the question then, yes? Unless the OP is looking for a different answer, I can't see any way legally to avoid the needle. |
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JamesD
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Location: "As far as I'm concerned bacon comes from a magical happy place."
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Gee, people. Think outside the box once in a while.
Get a buddy to punch you in the kidneys for about half an hour and ask the doc if they could take the sample from the blood in your urine.
Go to a bar and start a ruckus, take a few shots to the head, walk into the clinic with nose gushing. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
Sorry, but you are going to need the blood to come out of you, needles are the most painless way. The reason they test is because something might have changed since your last test. Maybe you picked up some diseases in the interim.
I don't really enjoy getting blood taken. I don't mind shots, but getting blood taken out is a bit creepy to me. It works for me to just put my arm up and look away. Just act like nothing is happening. Good luck. |
The post suggests a reasonably painless process here. I don't think it's either reasonable or painless. Even a one year RP for a married ones calls for a blood test. Chinese are obsessed with blood tests and "blood" in their language. Then, how painless can a needle be is one question and how clean is yet another one. Locals aren't obsessed with cleanliness, or professionalism, are they?
To my knowledge, there are three ways to avoid a blood test; one is to get married and apply for half a year spousal L visa, one to buy a property in some areas of the country as not every city welcomes foreigners, and one is to apply for a F visa. All the choices pose a risk if one decides to earn money in the country. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| just put my arm up and look away. Just act like nothing is happening. Good luck. |
I am the opposite 
I get paranoid when I look away, "Oh my god!! What if blood is pouring all over the table?", "How much more do they need? When can I look and see no monsters or flooding due to my blood?"
I have had a glucose tolerance test (that's like a marathon of 8 or so piercings over a period of like 2 or 3 hours), various shots and blood tests through high school, the works at a naval base, and 3 hospital visits in Korea and China.
So, it's easier for me to look and see no evil, hear no evil. Then, it's all done and maybe you'll get a cookie. |
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MisterButtkins
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| Getting your blood taken is not bad. You want to feel something painful? Get your nipples pierced. That's painful. I don't understand how someone can be willing to move to a foreign country, change their entire lifestyle, and give up the opportunity to see family for years on end but then whine about getting a needle stuck in their arm. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:11 am Post subject: |
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What you don't understand is that some FTs may have varieties of reasons to have made their choices. They may not necessarily "whine about getting a needle stuck in their arm", but they may "whine" about the reasons behind it and/or about the safety concerns such regulations may pose.
Many Chinese students don't have to undergo such health checks prior to or when joining the western educational institutions abroad. So, why do we continuously need to give blood for the right to work here? |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| igorG wrote: |
What you don't understand is that some FTs may have varieties of reasons to have made their choices. They may not necessarily "whine about getting a needle stuck in their arm", but they may "whine" about the reasons behind it and/or about the safety concerns such regulations may pose.
Many Chinese students don't have to undergo such health checks prior to or when joining the western educational institutions abroad. So, why do we continuously need to give blood for the right to work here? |
Honestly, that we do not do these kinds of tests in the west is a shame. We certainly should. As to the safety concerns...you can do the same thing here as in the west...watch them open a new needle. I did. So can you. You can likely provide your own needle though I have not tried this. Will that make it 100% safe? Nope. This is different from the west how?
For those on this board who have a legitimate fear of needles, this can be an issue and I do not have any advice to offer. Some though, just seem to be creating an issue where there isn't one.
Don't like the reasons behind it...OK. Nobody is forcing you to undergo anything against your will. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Opiate wrote: |
| Don't like the reasons behind it...OK. Nobody is forcing you to undergo anything against your will. |
Really? |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| igorG wrote: |
| Opiate wrote: |
| Don't like the reasons behind it...OK. Nobody is forcing you to undergo anything against your will. |
Really? |
Yes really. Do you have something to add to that? |
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dean_a_jones
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| Honestly, that we do not do these kinds of tests in the west is a shame. We certainly should. |
We do, particularly for migrants, immigrants and people looking to obtain a residency permit. For example, the CDC in the US:
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Under the authority of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) and the Public Health Service Act, the Secretary of Health and Human Services promulgates regulations outlining the requirements for the medical examination of aliens seeking admission into the United States. The Division of Global Migration and Quarantine provides the Department of State (DOS) and the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) with medical screening guidelines for all examining physicians, which outline in detail the scope of the medical examination. The purpose of the medical examination is to identify, for the DOS and USCIS, applicants with inadmissible health-related conditions.
http://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/exams/medical-examination.html |
If you are found with HIV, that does not necessarily mean you cannot enter, but the state is required to provide you with post-test counselling.
In the UK, some medical screening is done, but there are strong arguments against HIV screening:
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In a recent report, the All-Party Parliamentary Group on AIDS came down heavily against the idea of screening migrants for HIV upon entry to the UK. Arguments for this conclusion included the following:
� UNHCR and UNAIDS guidance of 1998 stated that �There is no public health rationale for restricting liberty of movement or choice of residence on the grounds of HIV status�;
� Restrictions of movement based on HIV status are resource-intensive;
� Testing migrants for HIV upon entry into the UK sends out a false sense of security to the general public that they are not at risk of acquiring HIV and that only immigrants and asylum seekers carry this risk;
� Singling out HIV as an illness which we would like to keep out of the UK risks discouraging individuals who are already in the UK from testing;
� Ensuring a welcoming environment for pre and post-test counseling in the context of mandatory testing upon entry would be a serious challenge and could risk infringing upon the rights of individuals;
� Mandatory testing would risk HIV becoming further stigmatised.
9. Since asylum seekers arrive unannounced, they cannot be tested in advance. Neither can they be legally denied the right to seek asylum by reason of a positive HIV test result.
10. Screening pre-arrival raises different questions. Those immigrating for economic (or educational) purposes but who do not enjoy free movement rights under European law could be denied entry by reason of a positive HIV test result
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/Briefingpaper/document/43 |
Whether people agree with these or not are another question. Am sure Australia, NZ and non-speaking western countries have similar policies. |
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7969
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: |
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What you don't understand is that some FTs may have varieties of reasons to have made their choices. They may not necessarily "whine about getting a needle stuck in their arm", but they may "whine" about the reasons behind it and/or about the safety concerns such regulations may pose.
Many Chinese students don't have to undergo such health checks prior to or when joining the western educational institutions abroad. So, why do we continuously need to give blood for the right to work here? |
foreigners who want to work, study, or live in Canada for longer than six months most certainly do have an immigration medical exam.
Medical examination requirements for visitors (tourists, students and temporary foreign workers) to Canada
Designated country/territory list |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Good. Am glad there are things like that in place. Kind of assumed there were just didn't feel like hunting down the details. |
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RonHex
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I am starting the process to get my wife permanent residence in Canada. Its insane the amount of hoops she will have to jump through. Heath check, letters from family, police check, prove our marriage is real (photos, emails, ect) The list of "stuff"  is unending.
makes a little needle look like a cake walk.
Im gonna take a lot of heat for this.... I dont think they should let people that are HIV positive into Canada. Sorry to say... but they do pose a health risk and could easily cost tax payers a ton of money. |
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7969
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| Im gonna take a lot of heat for this.... I dont think they should let people that are HIV positive into Canada. Sorry to say... but they do pose a health risk and could easily cost tax payers a ton of money. |
as tourists I don't have a problem with it, as potential immigrants, you won't get any argument from me. |
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