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basiltherat
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 Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: Europoe should give them a hand |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15007277
No wonder these people are throwing rocks. After offering them all a European passport, maybe europe should spend milllions or billions of euros accommodating these poor upset, deprived people who are being grossly denied their human right to settle in europe. They should be given free housing which of course should be large enough for them to eventually be able and have the perfect right of course to 'import' their large-size (and rapidly growing) families and relatives.
Oh and jobs, of course. Give them job priority of the local population to show our shame at our past colonial escapades and to compensate for the historical mistakes the west has made over the last few centuries.
Anything else we could possibly do for these poor, poor people. ??
any suggestions, liberals ? 
Freedom !
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basil
Ooops, forget .... let's add free and prioritised medical/heath care |
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artemisia
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| Lampedusa, midway between Sicily and Africa's mainland, was overwhelmed earlier this year as tens of thousands fled revolutions in Tunisia and Libya. |
Everyone should take responsibility here, not just leave it up to a small Italian island to deal with. There are plenty of Europeans and others who happily took advantage of and accepted work opportunities in these countries - especially in Libya. Of course that doesn't stop people from being NIMBYs. The Italian govt. had a very cosy relationship with Gaddafi but it certainly wasn't the only one.
Tunisians and Libyans have the best chance resettling in a hopefully peaceful region - taking their chances in Europe is far from ideal for anyone in the current economic and political climate.
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dean_a_jones
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Europoe should give them a hand |
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Give them job priority of the local population to show our shame at our past colonial escapades and to compensate for the historical mistakes the west has made over the last few centuries.
Anything else we could possibly do for these poor, poor people. ??
any suggestions, liberals ? |
I vote for an all expenses paid trip to sunny Colchester, perhaps it will set an example for them to return home and work harder in the future.
I mean come on, I read Empire by Niall Ferguson. We didn't do half bad by all these folks, right? |
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basiltherat
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| trip to sunny Colchester |
It's raining here. All the more reason to send them, i suppose.
mind you, we need a good striker so maybe a couple of them with some goal-scoring skills might like to stay.
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scot47
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| They can have jobs on our new public works project - The Oban to Brooklyn Tunnel. |
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JimJam
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Europoe should give them a hand |
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Assuming you're British Basiltherat:
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any suggestions, liberals ? |
Don't you mean lefties, or reds, trots even, at a stretch.
Liberals is a bit American, don't you think? I think it's important to differentiate between the derogatory American usage and the long and proud history of British liberalism.
May I refer you to good old Wikipedia whose article features that arch-liberal Maggy Thatcher
Some members of the Conservative Party, most notably former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher regard that party as the closest major party to classical liberalism, because of its commitment to low taxation and economic deregulation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Good times. |
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steki47
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basiltherat
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| What about Somalis in Sweden? |
What a disgrace ! The Swedish Government should be ashamed of themselves. Fancy not providing all that these people need and want and even expecting them to lift a finger to help themselves. I hope they are getting there full entitlement to all welfare benefits despite not being Swedish citizens or speaking swedish yet.
Goodness gracious, can't the Swedish government see that there is a huge potential for these people to contribute to a harmonious swedish society in the future. I mean, just look at them. What doubt could there possibly be ? They should definitely prove to be a real driving force in the future prosperity of Sweden.
And of course, those tunisians on Lampedusa can't possibly return to Tunisia because of the terrible unrest that is continuing to cause life-threatening havoc in the country. Rather odd, tho, that the international media is no longer reporting on it to any great extent.
Basil
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basiltherat
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| who happily took advantage of and accepted work opportunities in these countries |
Oh, yes, I totally agree. Those people were never invited in by companies operating in Libya and officially given approval for entry. All those expats didn't really lift a finger during the time they were 'working' there. They were all on Libyan state welfare handouts. They protested in the streets of Tripoli accusing the local authorities of abusing their human rights. They asked for state funded accommodation and the right to permanently remain in Libya.
Also, you obviously didn't hear about the several ocassions when groups of european workers attacked and threw rocks at Libyan police when they had their human rights abused.
They aslo never applied for visas before going but simply smuggled themselves into the country on planes and boats.
The only thing that did not happen, of course, was that it was never reported .... surprising really when you consider the media's usual obsession with political correctness and reporting anything that might shed a blazing light on the iniquities (current and past) of the west and its people
Shocking behaviour.
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wiganer
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Didn't you go to countries such as Tunisia and teach the natives English?
One word sums you up Basil - hypocrite. |
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sparks
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| Is it just me or does it seem like an unfair comparison to say that because a few Westerners have lived and work in North Africa over the past few years and that the West has engaged in oil trade with N. African countries that the E.U. should absorb and provide for thousands of illegal immigrants (the issue of how much and for how long the West should pay for the era of colonialism may be debated). |
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basiltherat
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| Is it just me or does it seem like an unfair comparison to say that because a few Westerners have lived and work in North Africa over the past few years and that the West has engaged in oil trade with N. African countries that the E.U. should absorb and provide for thousands of illegal immigrants (the issue of how much and for how long the West should pay for the era of colonialism may be debated). |
Woah, steady on there, Sparks. You'll have the multculturally-obsessed, excessively-politically-correct liberals (trots ?) calling you a racist, intolerant, unsympathetic, bigotted, 'beep' or such-like if you're not careful with your opinions. Freedom to voice one's differing opinion without getting 'dumped on' is not something this lot appear to willingly grant others.
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| how long the West should pay for the era of colonialism may be debated |
May take a few generations more. The trots would probably claim that we haven't even started paying our 'dues'. After all, the world doesn't wanna get embroiled too early with how the islamic empire, for example, conducted so much havoc, rape, theft, slavery, population-displacement and massacres in the likes of northern and western india and Armenia, for example, and having to ask the islamic world to pay for their past 'sins' or, ...... perhaps we can just let that one pass. It would simply be a cultural no-no to even discuss the possibility of this ever happening. Let's just keep fraggelating ourselves in Europe and let african and muslim immigration flow freely into europe for a few more centuries so they can form that potent driving force that will eventually take Europe into a new era of prosperity and enlightenment. We deserve it.
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artemisia
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not calling anyone names; just pointing out that a number of European govts, including Britain, were more than willing to enter into a business relationship with regional dictators - one in particular. When you do this, you help prop up a system unpalatable to its people who, as we know, are still in the process of overthrowing it. I don't think it's just a mere few Westerners (and their families) who also benefited from that political relationship.
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| does it seem like an unfair comparison to say that because a few Westerners have lived and work in North Africa over the past few years and that the West has engaged in oil trade with N. African countries that the E.U. should absorb and provide for thousands of illegal immigrants |
I assume the above quote doesn't relate to my post since I wrote this:
"Tunisians and Libyans have the best chance resettling in a hopefully peaceful region - taking their chances in Europe is far from ideal for anyone in the current economic and political climate".
I'm not advocating Europe being swamped and I really do think it is Tunisians and Libyans best chance to resettle in a peaceful region that includes Libya, Tunisia and Egypt. That was one of the main reasons Europe was drawn into this civil war - to stem a flood of potential refugees arriving in Europe.
People have their best chance in a country they know and love (certainly Libyans seem to love their country) that's peaceful - and given the oil in the region - prosperous. It makes sense for European govts to work actively towards achieving that outcome. |
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dean_a_jones
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I wouldn't waste your breath. He won't agree with you unless your rallying call is 'let's keep them darkies and their backwards ways out of Europe'. Anything milder than this and you are a lefty, liberal, trot, commie crazy, and just want to take away his freedom to speak, obviously.
You ever watched a bit of Fox News or been to a BNP rally? Don't worry if you haven't, Basil here is kindly bringing that level of historical insight, intellect, dialogue and wit right here to Dave's.
Lucky us. |
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artemisia
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| I certainly didn't think there was genuine good humour being expressed in this thread. That would be impossible given the subject matter and the plight of those people. All the more reason for them to be assisted to stay in their home countries and not languish for months, or even years in some hole of a camp in an environment truly hostile to their presence. Not much of a joke, there. |
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