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igorG



Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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Location: asia
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh, please! Reading some of posts of the last poster, with all due respect, suggests little knolwedge about the local employers, contracts and/or the country. Schools in this country treat foreign teachers like children because they treat their own the same way. Little independance is allowed and plenty of obedience and a uniformity in sense of what little people do is required. Many employment agreements and local employers' attitudes towards FTs are almost uniformed around the country. It's not about if you sign the contract or not but about if you are willing to work in the country or not.


http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=91764&start=15
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urbanversion



Joined: 27 Jan 2011
Posts: 426
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:03 am    Post subject: re: dean dude Reply with quote
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It's no wonder why some schools treat FTs like children and think we are unreliable and untrustworthy...


I never said I was unreliable or untrustworthy.

I just don't like having my personal freedoms denied, or being lectured to by some young FAO, full of bluster, who doesn't know s**t from shoe-shiner.

Show me where, in law, those "clauses" have any basis. You can't because they do not. So every FT has the right to refuse them, or force them out of the contract. If the school in question refuses to back down, be polite, but just stay out late or bring girls back anyway. At worst case you just move on to greener pastures. No point being a grovelling weasel, no way...

Cheers and beers on,
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jayjjasper



Joined: 27 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I just don't like having my personal freedoms denied,


urbanversion, Not sure getting some comes under the freedom act...emancipation of fornication .. hey I am all for it but seems to me your stretching. if your gonna break the rules ... just say so.... but when you agree to having the restriction in place then it seems kind of juvenile to claim denial. That said, I wouldn't hesitate to break a rule but take into account that your work has to be top notch to survive the infractions. (urbanversion, is that like the urban version of the world as urbanverson sees it. )


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Show me where, in law, those "clauses" have any basis


When you sign a contract you obligate yourself to abide by the parameters of that instrument. As for the basis, check under contract law and the accepting of conditions upon signature.

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No point being a grovelling weasel, no way...


Some might say a groveling weasel was the kind of person to accept the obligations of a contract and secure that obligation with a signature, then make some lame excuse as to why they will not honor said obligation instead of owning up to the fact that they signed it without ever intending to abide by such regulations stipulated. Few have respect for a whiner but for a rule breaker and rebel, there is plenty of room in the rebellion hall of fame.

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I never said I was unreliable or untrustworthy.


While I am sure you don't consider that you may be laboring under a conditional trust, one that is based on whether you feel like living up to obligations that you have agree to, but many would consider that UNTRUSTWORTHY. Now consider the fact that we live in the land where "all warfare is based on deception", if you consider teaching ESL to be a waring of words and FTs to be Foreigners in the trenches then maybe you can sell deceit as a weapon. Otherwise, just own up to the fact that after you signed the contract, cause you really really wanted to work here, you realized the implications of the rules and decided to 86 them. No one but a few stick in the mud Davesters would ever fault you as we all have all been on that lonely 3 inch mattress looking for love in all the "wong" places.
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Lobster



Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Location: Somewhere under the Sea
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The problem here is confusion about what is law and what is a school regulation. The law probably doesn't state that it's illegal to consume alcohol in the teachers' office. But perhaps your contract states that teachers aren't allowed to drink on school premises. So, because it's not against the law, would you feel justified in drinking in your office?

Here's the scoop. When you live on campus, you are expected to abide by the school's regulations. They may feel that you are expected to provide a role model for students, and that doesn't include bringing home stray girls from the bar. If you want the perk of free, on-campus accommodations, you agree to abide by the school's regulations, whether they are written into law or not. It's not a matter of being a 'grovelling weasel', it's a matter of being a responsible individual. Follow the rules, get your own place or take your romance to a hotel.

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jayjjasper



Joined: 27 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So, because it's not against the law, would you feel justified in drinking in your office?


Only from a flask, as a paper bag is so obvious.

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They may feel that you are expected to provide a role model for students, and that doesn't include bringing home stray girls from the bar.


Unless they were students at the institution, then you may be doing the administration a favor. In that case they would be listed as stray students and would have no consequence from the conditions of your contract.
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kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 5880
Location: Suzhou, China
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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No point being a grovelling weasel, no way...


Buddy, you are at the WRONG message forum!
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
Posts: 3325
Location: Mao-berry, PRC
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
what other items in the contract are not required by law?

round trip airfare?
specific paydays?
accomodations?
paid utilities?
paid vacations?

so......if da man decides there's no basis in law, then what?
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dean_a_jones



Joined: 03 Jul 2009
Posts: 1151
Location: Wuhan, China
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
igorG wrote:
It's not about if you sign the contract or not but about if you are willing to work in the country or not.


Spoken with your usual insight and clarity.
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urbanversion



Joined: 27 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: re: interesting points from everyone