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digitex



Joined: 02 Sep 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:37 pm    Post subject: Criteria for a visa Reply with quote

Hello!

I checked the FAQ part 1&2 and i found this information in FAQ part 2, #12:

The specific type of Work Visa for teachers is listed as Specialist in Humanities/International Services (for general teaching and eikaiwas) or Instructor visa (for ALTs).  Either of these work visas requires a bachelor�s degree (any field will do) from an accredited university, or a minimum of 3 years of related work experience. See the following immigration link for more details.
http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/information/mopca-01.html

The URL is dead, so i was wondering if the same criteria still stands(BA or 3 years related work experience)? If I apply for a visa with Upper secondary technical education with the qualification Assistant to pre-school teacher(no BA), 1 year related work experience as a kindergarten teacher assistant and if i have a cetificate of eligibiity is there a possibility i would be rejected? Or it depends if the person at the immigration is having a bad/good day?

Thank you all for your time,
Mr.D
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Glenski



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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason the link is dead is because the government changed the web site. Moreover, they pared down the information a lot.

If you want to see what they have now, go here:
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/index.html
Personally, I don't like the new setup. Not as user-friendly as before.

More info can be found at the immigration guidebook site:
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/index.html
Go to the List of Documents, and click on the one for Certificate of Eligibility. When that opens, click the very bottom link called Ministerial Ordinance to Provide for Criteria pursuant to Article 7,Paragraph 1 (2) of Immigration Control and Refugee RecognitionAct. Again, this is a poor site because copying/pasting from the information that is available doesn't seem to work well. At least it has the requirements you need for visas.

The actual documentation for visas is accessible from the COE link. Middle of the page you can see links called Table 4 and Table 3.

To answer your questions:
if the same criteria still stands(BA or 3 years related work experience)?
Yes.

If I apply for a visa with Upper secondary technical education with the qualification Assistant to pre-school teacher(no BA), 1 year related work experience as a kindergarten teacher assistant and if i have a cetificate of eligibiity is there a possibility i would be rejected?
For a visa, there is always a possibility even with the best qualifications, but what exactly are you looking for? You have no BA. What is your nationality and age?
Are you looking for a teaching position at an international school, or just a regular school, or an eikaiwa?

And, what exactly does "upper secondary technical education with ... " mean? How many years of college for that long name?
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digitex



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Glenski for the info.
Well, I'm looking for a kindergarten teacher assistant position(1-6y kids). I'm 26, from Slovenia and the Upper secondary technical education with the qualification Assistant to pre-school teacher (info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education#Slovenia) means I completed 4 years of upper secondary school for early childhood education and got qualifications to be a pre-school teacher assistant. From the URL above, I finished a mix of upper secondary school and technical high school. And yea, my school system is messed up Smile
I also finished 4 years of gymnasium specializing in economics if that helps in any way Smile (info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_%28school%29#Former_Yugoslavia)
EDIT: altogether means 0 years of college
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is just my opinion, but you have 2 barriers facing you. Big ones.

The lack of a degree is just one of them. Perhaps an immigration lawyer could finagle the description of your education to show equivalence to what immigration requires. I don't know.

Your nationality is the bigger problem. People who are not from the generally accepted native speaking countries are usually forced to prove to immigration that 12 years of their education was in English only.
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digitex



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

The lack of a degree is just one of them. Perhaps an immigration lawyer could finagle the description of your education to show equivalence to what immigration requires. I don't know.

This one I could overcome with 2 more years of experience?
Glenski wrote:

Your nationality is the bigger problem. People who are not from the generally accepted native speaking countries are usually forced to prove to immigration that 12 years of their education was in English only.

If by 12 years you mean studying it in school as a subject then I have exactly 12 years of it. But if you mean completing a minimum of 12 years in English speaking schools only(elementary,upper secondary,...all in English) then I'm screwed.
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latter - it has to be 12 years being taught in English, not taking it as a subject.

Sorry, but you're screwed on the plan you outline. I can't see how you'd even get a CoE on that, let a lone the visa.
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yamanote senbei



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Criteria for a visa Reply with quote

digitex wrote:
If I apply for a visa with Upper secondary technical education with the qualification Assistant to pre-school teacher(no BA), 1 year related work experience as a kindergarten teacher assistant and if i have a cetificate of eligibiity is there a possibility i would be rejected?

It's unlikely that you will get the Certificate of Eligibility stage.
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digitex



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you think it is so unlikely for me to get a COE? I love working with kids, I'm not native in English, but do they really only look at this native English thing and not for enthusiastic,energetic people that love to do this kind of job? I guess my best option would be to go down there on a tourist visa, search for a job,coe and eventually everything else.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

digitex wrote:
Why do you think it is so unlikely for me to get a COE? I love working with kids,
Means nothing to immigration.

Quote:
I'm not native in English,
Means everything to immigration! They are the ones who issue the COE, not your employer.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

digitex wrote:
I guess my best option would be to go down there on a tourist visa, search for a job,coe and eventually everything else.

No it's not.

You are not a native speaker (defined as having 12 years of education delivered in English) and you do not have a degree or 3 years of relevant experience. So you are not eligible for a work visa to teach English.

It doesn't matter if an employer likes you or thinks you will be good at the job: If you don't meet immigration's criteria for a work visa (or another visa that allows work) then immigration won't issue you a COE. Which means you can't work here legally and therefore no legit employer would even think of touching you with a barge pole regardless.
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