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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Your contract may say that you get four weeks off for vacation a year- but your board of education may just deny you vacation whenever you ask for it- even if all you're doing is sitting there in said board of education for eight hours a day.
Very often junior high school ALTs end up sitting around in a board of education all summer and winter (including Christmas Day itself) breaks surfing the internet (leading to a LOT of bitterness being vented at places like bigdaikon). Senior high school ALTs often don't have to go in to their school during school breaks. |
Really? This sounds horrible. |
I think 'horrible' is a bit strong. They ask you to sit around at a BoE and surf the internet. If that happens, then that kinda sucks, but I wouldn't describe it as 'horrible'. They didn't even have internet at my old BoE a couple of years before I arrived in my town. That ALT (there was only one for the town) had to sit there like it was some sort of high school detention all day, every day. Christmas isn't a holiday here.
Being told that you cannot take vacation because 'Japanese people don't take their vacation' is a bit puerile, and that's the type of thing you COULD (and possibly *should*) contact a prefectural advisor over- vacation is part of the JET package. But you have to choose your battles. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Your contract may say that you get four weeks off for vacation a year- but your board of education may just deny you vacation whenever you ask for it- even if all you're doing is sitting there in said board of education for eight hours a day.
Very often junior high school ALTs end up sitting around in a board of education all summer and winter (including Christmas Day itself) breaks surfing the internet (leading to a LOT of bitterness being vented at places like bigdaikon). Senior high school ALTs often don't have to go in to their school during school breaks. |
Really? This sounds horrible. |
I think 'horrible' is a bit strong. They ask you to sit around at a BoE and surf the internet. If that happens, then that kinda sucks, but I wouldn't describe it as 'horrible'. They didn't even have internet at my old BoE a couple of years before I arrived in my town. That ALT (there was only one for the town) had to sit there like it was some sort of high school detention all day, every day. Christmas isn't a holiday here.
Being told that you cannot take vacation because 'Japanese people don't take their vacation' is a bit puerile, and that's the type of thing you COULD (and possibly *should*) contact a prefectural advisor over- vacation is part of the JET package. But you have to choose your battles. |
If I were at a HS, I would use the gym. But it does sound awful. I have had a few days where they made me go, despite having zero classes. A waste of my life really. I am not going to study Japanese/read for 8 hours. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Well, keep in mind that they are PAYING you to be there. It isn't a punishment. It's part of the job. So there's not really a whole lot you can do about it (except use your vacation leave... unless they tell you that you can't take it then). If you are lucky and don't have to come in, then that doesn't come off of your vacation leave.
(I don't know any senior high school JETs who had to go to their school- but that doesn't mean that there are none. Every junior high school JET I've known has had to sit at their board of education- so there wasn't a gym to go to, but that doesn't mean that EVERY junior high JET ALT has to sit and rot at their BoE, either) |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Well, keep in mind that they are PAYING you to be there. It isn't a punishment. It's part of the job. So there's not really a whole lot you can do about it (except use your vacation leave... unless they tell you that you can't take it then). If you are lucky and don't have to come in, then that doesn't come off of your vacation leave.
(I don't know any senior high school JETs who had to go to their school- but that doesn't mean that there are none. Every junior high school JET I've known has had to sit at their board of education- so there wasn't a gym to go to, but that doesn't mean that EVERY junior high JET ALT has to sit and rot at their BoE, either) |
But it is kinda funny, how my company is always getting on us to save money when we commute. Yet, here I am going to school to hangout all day.
I'd say I am not getting paid for it, I would really say that I am hourly, and I am only really paid for my teaching hours. JET, then yes, but not as an ALT. As an ALT I feel as though it is a punishment. As I am treated salary when it suits them, and FT when it suits them. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Being paid to sit in an office is one thing. IMO, it's what you make of that time that counts.
Got Internet? Use it to get lesson plans and study Japanese.
No Internet? Study Japanese from books, and use paper to dream up lesson plan ideas. Get ideas at home first on your home Internet connection if you have to, but don't just sit and look bored or use the Internet for mindless entertainment, especially if you are being paid to be there.
There's no excuse for sitting around doing nothing and making yourself and other JET ALTs look bad. |
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rxk22
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Being paid to sit in an office is one thing. IMO, it's what you make of that time that counts.
Got Internet? Use it to get lesson plans and study Japanese.
No Internet? Study Japanese from books, and use paper to dream up lesson plan ideas. Get ideas at home first on your home Internet connection if you have to, but don't just sit and look bored or use the Internet for mindless entertainment, especially if you are being paid to be there.
There's no excuse for sitting around doing nothing and making yourself and other JET ALTs look bad. |
Well what do you consider sitting there and doing nothing? As studying Japanese has nothing to do with the actual job.
you can only plan so many lessons, when you are on a JHS level. Really easy to over plan, and make stuff over complicated.
I find that KISS is the best way to do things at the lower levels, as with most of the kids that I have taught 'how are you' is too hard for half of them. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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What is "sitting and doing nothing"?
Uh, from posts on the BigDaikon it's pretty obvious. People (not everyone) literally can be found surfing the Internet all day, and BD even has had messages posted outside the forum showing people how to get around various school Internet censors. Surfing is taken to mean using the Internet for purposes unrelated to work or adapting to the culture here.
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| you can only plan so many lessons, when you are on a JHS level. |
This is where it can be a delicate thing for me to respond. I know the majority of JET ALTs are not serious minded teacher types. However, my feeling is that they should still try hard(er) to do their jobs, even if it means spending more time than they think is necessary to create lesson plans, learn more about the overall TEFL world, and show that they can work with JTEs (especially if they have a JTE who is not into having any ALT around). I'm familiar with a local group of ALTs (some JET, some not) in my area, and they constantly post to help each other. You can't overplan, if what you mean by that is to constantly upgrade one's knowledge of EFL. Considering that most JET ALTs don't have any background in it in the first place, they have a lot to learn.
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind that HALF of all JETs leave at the end of their first contract. That means that they only have one summer of sitting at the Board of Education- and since they arrive at the end of July or beginning of August, then it's the first thing they do when they get here (and very often they'll be sitting around at the BoE for the last week or so before they leave- usually they spend that time furiously making notes and emailing to the successor who may or may not ever get them- and for the successor, getting set up living is the first thing on their mind. Or else they are already concentrating on their next step- whether it be graduate school {the most common thing}, looking for a job in their home country, travelling around or going to another job in Japan {probably far more common for CIRs, but probably the least common for ALTs- especially ALTs who are leaving at the end of their first year, because that means they'd decided back in December or thereabouts that they wouldn't be staying- after only a single term actually in school}).
It's kind of hard to plan lessons for a class you've never met but are half-way through the school year, teaching a level you've never taught before and don't know what it consists of (assuming that, like most JETs, they haven't ever taught at a junior high school in Japan when they get here) and the students are very likely are L1 speakers of a language that you may know four words of and that's about it and everything you've been taught about the culture seems to be directly at odds with virtually everything you can actually see. What you CAN do is go through every single thing that you received from the predecessor (that may be good for about thirty minutes or so) and the books that CLAIR provided in the orientation (another couple of hours- and most of it won't be particularly useful- except "Team Taught Pizza"- which if you didn't buy at the orientation means you probably made a mistake, unless you have a bit , or more than a bit, of experience). There is no guarantee that anybody at the BoE will speak English, and it's very likely that the ALT won't be told what to do. They'll be shown their desk, told to sit down, maybe handed a cup of green tea or coffee - ETA but since it's summer, probably ice wheat tea- and then left alone in a room full of apparently busy Japanese people who also apparently don't speak English (both of these things may well not actually be the case). Japanese office workers (and teachers) are required to look busy. Period. A foreigner may not know the difference between a Japanese office worker who IS busy, and a Japanese office worker who LOOKS busy. How would they? It may be their first time in Japan, or even East Asia. Japanese Teachers of English may or may not want to even meet the ALT before September.
Also, for most foreigners, the teachers room and the BoE are extremely uncomfortable places to be in because they/ we often feel like we are under a microscope- even though 90% of the time nobody is watching you- because of the open office arrangement. Most JETs have very little work experience and may have never worked in an office setting before. So it's uncomfortable. Those who DID work in an office setting before (like me) either had their own office (like me in one job) or shared an office with a single other person (like me in another job) or had a cubicle (like the people in PR companies that I worked with) which gives some semblance of privacy. The open-office format (especially the one where the highest ranking people sit perpendicular to the lower ranked people so they can always see what they're up to) is not all that common in other countries- for the simple reason that it's extremely uncomfortable (and therefore people will quit to work for the same money, or even slightly less money rather than put up with it). And it's very hard to study a language when you are extremely uncomfortable- the affective filter and all.
And if you're staying for a following year, you may well have already planned everything you need for the following term in the last week or so of school when you often have no classes and so are sitting around at your school. You may also be one of the many human tape-recorders and the JTEs not only don't want you to do anything for classes, but resent it if you do and so veto it after pretending to look over it because they don't want to change anything they've done in the past for some unqualified newbie who'll likely be gone in a year. Sometimes ALTs may be asked to start editing the speeches for the speech contest in the summer as well- especially if they are going into their second or higher year for that BoE.
The greatest effect most ALTs have in their schools is in improving JTE English by speaking to them in natural English and talking to students in the halls after class (at elementary school, especially, if you are at a public school and aren't playing with the kids in the playground, and the kids aren't inviting you to play with them, then IMO something is going very, very wrong)- joining a club is good, but I think floating from club to club is better so that you gradually get to know far more of the kids- besides, club activity is work for students- if they've already spent two years working hard to become good at kendo or whatever, they don't want to have a raw newbie who doesn't even speak the language there EVERY SINGLE DAY. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Keep in mind that HALF of all JETs leave at the end of their first contract. |
I believe I said that, too.
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A very productive use of their time!
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| Or else they are already concentrating on their next step- whether it be graduate school {the most common thing}, looking for a job in their home country, travelling around or going to another job in Japan |
I have mixed feelings about someone using company time to look for grad school info, especially when there is plenty of time to do it at home, and when the time difference is so great.
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| It's kind of hard to plan lessons for a class you've never met but are half-way through the school year, teaching a level you've never taught before and don't know what it consists of |
Agreed, but don't they get some sort of background information, whether from their BOE, CLAIR, the previous ALT, Eigo Notes, or other sources? This again is where someone with at least a modicum of training will be better off than a greenhorn with a BA in architecture or Asian Studies. (And, just so people here realize, I came to Japan with a degree unrelated to teaching, and only a TESL cert in hand, but I scrambled every day to figure out how to teach better than I had the day before.)
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| the students are very likely are L1 speakers of a language that you may know four words of and that's about it and everything you've been taught about the culture seems to be directly at odds with virtually everything you can actually see. |
As for the first point, all the more reason JET shouldn't hire people without a minimum level of Japanese. Point 2, I don't know what you mean about being taught the opposite of what the situation really is. Most people aren't taught anything before they teach here!
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| There is no guarantee that anybody at the BoE will speak English, and it's very likely that the ALT won't be told what to do. |
How much, then, does JET really, really prepare ALTs for the job? Who's really at fault here?
quote]A foreigner may not know the difference between a Japanese office worker who IS busy, and a Japanese office worker who LOOKS busy. How would they? It may be their first time in Japan, or even East Asia. [/quote]That's not the point. The point is the ALT doing scant little, instead of taking the initiative.
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| Also, for most foreigners, the teachers room and the BoE are extremely uncomfortable places to be in because they/ we often feel like we are under a microscope- even though 90% of the time nobody is watching you- |
So, don't surf the football scores or try to break the Internet censors. Study, try to learn what is going on, ask for advice.
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| Most JETs have very little work experience and may have never worked in an office setting before. |
Another complaint of mine related to JET.
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| And if you're staying for a following year, you may well have already planned everything you need for the following term in the last week or so of school when you often have no classes and so are sitting around at your school. |
Everything? I refuse to believe that. I've been here for plenty of years, in eikaiwa and high school and university, and I've never been able to plan for everything that I am going to do. There is always something to work on!
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| You may also be one of the many human tape-recorders and the JTEs not only don't want you to do anything for classes, but resent it if you do |
Tough as that sort of situation is, if you don't want to be looking up the latest movies on Yahoo, learn how to deal with the situation. This is where JET should be training the ALTs how to handle team teaching situations. I suspect it does to a degree, but I don't know how far that goes. Regardless, if an ALT doesn't like it, don't watch reruns of Lost on torrent channels; find out how to do your job better!
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| and so veto it after pretending to look over it because they don't want to change anything they've done in the past for some unqualified newbie who'll likely be gone in a year. |
Hey, JET! Stop hiring these unqualified people, ok? Bad precedent for the others.
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| Sometimes ALTs may be asked to start editing the speeches for the speech contest in the summer as well- especially if they are going into their second or higher year for that BoE. |
This is relevant work and not akin to surfing the Net. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| And if you're staying for a following year, you may well have already planned everything you need for the following term in the last week or so of school when you often have no classes and so are sitting around at your school. |
Everything? I refuse to believe that. I've been here for plenty of years, in eikaiwa and high school and university, and I've never been able to plan for everything that I am going to do. There is always something to work on! |
By the end of my first year at my JHS, I had a crazy amount of materials and was prepped for every unit 3x over.
Even had plans for how to conduct lessons with my limited Japanese should the JTE be absent (something that inevitably often happened since all my JTEs were HRTs or sub-HRTs; all of whom had at least a couple of "problematic" students constantly demanding their attention) which earnt me a lot of brownie points since the teachers knew that I was not only into team work but was perfectly self-sufficient and quite comfortable working on my own even with new first years or the special classes.
Granted, I found many other constructive uses of my time that weren't necessarily lesson orientated.
I did a lot of rapport building with all of the staff at my school: everything from helping JTEs prep for their solo lessons; helping the yongakunen staff with photocopying and distributing all the student and staff notices, pamplets, etc; helping the school caretakers organise in the kyuushokyu center; doing a heap of studying on special needs since and often going to their calligraphy, HE and Japanese classes or their shopping trips to buy stuff or prepare for their various business ventures (they ran a bread shop for staff, kept a fruit and veg garden and would open a gift shop, cake store or restaurant for special events - I became pretty good and making hair accessories and keitai ornaments).
At one of my current HSs, I've normally done all my planning and prep work for the following fortnight on the last Friday of the fornightly cycle (I have no classes at all that day). I attend that school 3 days a week and only have 8 classes per fornight (5 in the first week and 3 in the second)... that's alot of extra time.
I do other things. Like at the moment, I spend a lot of extra time researching the Japanese criminal legal system and its use of the death penalty because I'm helping the debate team. I also read and familiarise myself with every book, textbook and grammar book used in the various kinds of English classes for every grade despite only my only having classes with the first years because students will often try to ask me for help especially if they come to the office and there are no JTEs or they are busy. I don't even have to ask the JTEs for them anymore; I just find new books or worksheets with answer papers on my desk when I arrive. Besides I like reading and actually enjoyed the condensed versions of Gulliver's Travels and Great Expections that the first and third years are doing in their reading classes at the moment... the recent messed up version of Alice in Wonderland: not so much.
So I don't disagree that in school, there isn't always something you can work on as opposed to surfing the internet (I've never had to seat warm at the BOE, but I can imagine that perhaps there really might be little better to do than internet surfing or studying Japanese there). But I know that if you get to grips with your schools' systems (however disorganised they are) you can indeed have planned for everything you are going to do in lessons (and then some) well in advance and genuinely have a lot of "free" time. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Keep in mind that HALF of all JETs leave at the end of their first contract. |
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yes, but you seem to have somehow missed the significance of just arriving in the country and having to sit in a room for a month with nothing to do because nobody will tell you what your job is. What they MAY tell you is that what you were told your job would be in your home country ISN�T what they want you to do.
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| That means that they only have one summer of sitting at the Board of Education- and since they arrive at the end of July or beginning of August, then it's the first thing they do when they get here (and very often they'll be sitting around at the BoE for the last week or so before they leave- usually they spend that time furiously making notes and emailing to the successor who may or may not ever get them- and for the successor, getting set up living is the first thing on their mind. |
A very productive use of their time! |
Which? the people arriving or the people leaving?
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| Or else they are already concentrating on their next step- whether it be graduate school {the most common thing}, looking for a job in their home country, travelling around or going to another job in Japan |
I have mixed feelings about someone using company time to look for grad school info, especially when there is plenty of time to do it at home, and when the time difference is so great. |
If they are going to grad school, then they would have applied long before the end of their time on JET. They�re leaving at the end of July or beginning of August. They�ll be starting grad school a month later. They�re planning on moving to their next location- just like the people arriving in Japan are planning on their arrival in Japan. And you�re assuming that all JETs have access to internet at home.
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Agreed, but don't they get some sort of background information, whether from their BOE, CLAIR, the previous ALT, Eigo Notes, or other sources? This again is where someone with at least a modicum of training will be better off than a greenhorn with a BA in architecture or Asian Studies. (And, just so people here realize, I came to Japan with a degree unrelated to teaching, and only a TESL cert in hand, but I scrambled every day to figure out how to teach better than I had the day before.) |
Nope. Every Situation Is Different. There may not be anybody from the BoE who speaks English. You need to rely on the predecessor who is like to be more interested in selling you their stuff than they are in explaining a job that the newbie will pretty much learn as they go along. Or, especially if the predecessor was leaving after only one year, they may not have �positive feelings� about the position, but not want to risk the newbie pulling out at the last second and so decides the best thing to do is say nothing.
I came to Japan having already graduated from a university linguistics department year-long certificate in TESL. It�s the same length as a B.Ed (for both programs in Ontario, you do your degree and then apply to do the one year initial teacher qualification), but reportedly considerably harder. It�s also a LOT easier to get into, though. The target of the program is teaching adult immigrants (it�s geared to teaching university). I had already been teaching as the only teacher in the room, the main teacher in the room, one of the main teachers in a room divided into several levels or as a student teacher doing a practicum in the university for two years when I arrived in Japan.
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As for the first point, all the more reason JET shouldn't hire people without a minimum level of Japanese. |
�JET� doesn�t hire people. �CLAIR� doesn�t hire people either. Individual people in a panel make a decision about who to hire based on criteria that the applicant doesn�t know, as well as their own pre-conceived notions of what a �good JET ALT� should be. They panel consists of a university professor usually from a faculty of education or linguistics (in the case of an area where there is a masters degree in Applied Linguistics or TESOL offered through a Linguistics Department) who may or may not have EVER set foot in Japan, a former JET who may have left after only one year (meaning that by winter they�d had enough even though they�d only taught a single term in Japan- or that they first agreed to stay and then pulled out at the last second) and may well be deciding on the person based on what the professor thinks, or based on how well his/ her individual friends in Japan (if they have any) may react to the person. The other person is usually someone from the embassy or consulate, but if they can�t get anybody, they�ll use just some random Japanese person who lives in the area and has some sort of meaningful connection to Japan (like if they are involved in a Japanese Cultural Centre or something like that).
It would not be feasible in most areas to limit applicants to people who already speak a certain level of Japanese. The number of people studying that language is actually falling (outside of Australia and probably New Zealand) because the main reason to study it was for business, and Japan is seen as on its way down. How many people study Korean before going there? Almost none. Why? Because there is a very, very low likelihood of ever using it outside of Korea. That�s where Japan is (seen to be) heading.
Also, the point of communicative language teaching as taught in English speaking countries is that you shouldn�t need to use the students� L1 in order to teach them. It�s like that because it was developed with teaching ESL in mind where it would be impossible to know all of your students� languages. In a class of 14 students, you are very likely to have 14 different L1 (some of which may be related fairly closely, or some students may share a third language besides English and their L1 with another student). to claim that you NEED Japanese would be to basically claim that (Western) language teaching doesn�t work in Japan.
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Point 2, I don't know what you mean about being taught the opposite of what the situation really is. Most people aren't taught anything before they teach here! |
The purpose of the JET program is PR for the country. The goal is for people to stay and enjoy Japan and then go home after a few years and create business ties between their company and Japan. Therefore, the pre-departure information is filled very heavily with promotional material about Japan and the JET program. Anybody who believed it would be thinking they were going to be Ralph Macchio�s character from the Karate Kid Part II (the one where he goes to Japan- some sort of 1980�s Japan where everything is made out of bamboo and people walk around in kimonos- except that they aren�t Okinawan kimonos even though Mr Miyagi said they were going to Okinawa).
People make assumptions about others based on their own experiences. The JET job is set up to be easy. It�s set up to ensure people can save a lot of money. There is an assumption that that�s what people want. So that�s what they get. One problem is that that actually isn�t how its described in the home countries, and that isn�t what some of the JETs actually want.
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How much, then, does JET really, really prepare ALTs for the job? Who's really at fault here? |
JET is a human resources mechanism. Nothing more. Nothing less. Your employer is often a small town board of education filled with people who have never left Japan and have never worked outside of the education system in Japan. How could anyone blame them for not knowing what to tell people on the other side of the planet about a job that they themselves may not entirely understand, but have to have simply because the national government says that they have to.
JETs sometimes get asked what their job is when they arrive at their placement. They say what they were told before leaving their home country. they are told that the BoE doesn�t want them to do that. The BoE then tells them they don�t really know what they want them to do.
How do you prepare someone for Every Situation when Every Situation Is Different? You don�t. You rely on the people leaving to do it in a way that will be meaningful to the people coming because the person leaving and the person arriving will have similar cultures. Except that if they don�t communicate well, or one person really has no interest in the other, then that doesn�t work.
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That's not the point. The point is the ALT doing scant little, instead of taking the initiative. |
No. Actually, that **IS** the point. One thing that people learn before coming is to not be too aggressive. (in fact, at an after party at a bar, one guy described it as �When you get to Japan, you sit down, and you shut up.� After that the gist was �you will know nothing about where you are and opening your mouth will only make you look like an arrogant idiot�.) Not only is it one of the things that you are told before leaving your home country, it�s just common sense. You don�t arrive someplace that you�ve never been before, not speaking the language, and then come across as trying to take over. And that�s exactly how it would come across. And it would very likely be trampling on somebody else�s ideas- but you would be such a newbie, you wouldn�t even know that you were doing it, let alone who you were trampling on. In fact, when dispatch agencies contact the schools to find out what they think of the ALT, one of their questions is usually if the person is too arrogant. If you study cross-cultural communication, then you learn that the very first thing that needs to be done is to find common ground. That�s not busting in there and �taking the initiative�.
I was lucky. There were people in my BoE who actually explained to me that my job in the first month was to get used to living in a small town in Japan. I had to go to the BoE because I just had to. But my actual job was outside of the BoE, just getting used to being in a place where not a single person speaks my language. I was told this because there were people in my BoE who had been exchange students in the US in high school and so sort of understood what it was like. Also, my BoE actually cared about the ALT. The people who worked there didn�t live in the town, and knew that outside of the BoE, I would basically be on my own, so they bent over backwards trying to help me out. Not everybody�s BoE is like that.
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So, don't surf the football scores or try to break the Internet censors. Study, try to learn what is going on, ask for advice. |
I guess you didn�t see the part about the Affective Filter.
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| The open-office format (especially the one where the highest ranking people sit perpendicular to the lower ranked people so they can always see what they're up to) is not all that common in other countries- for the simple reason that it's extremely uncomfortable (and therefore people will quit to work for the same money, or even slightly less money rather than put up with it). And it's very hard to study a language when you are extremely uncomfortable- the affective filter and all. |
Oh, here's a bit from the wikipedia that I put a link to:
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Affective Filter Hypothesis
The affective filter is an impediment to learning or acquisition caused by negative emotional ("affective") responses to one's environment. It is a hypothesis of second language acquisition theory, and a field of interest in educational psychology.
[edit]Major components of the hypothesis
According to the affective filter hypothesis, certain emotions, such as anxiety, self-doubt, and mere boredom interfere with the process of acquiring a second language. They function as a filter between the speaker and the listener that reduces the amount of language input the listener is able to understand. These negative emotions prevent efficient processing of the language input.[6] The hypothesis further states that the blockage can be reduced by sparking interest, providing low anxiety environments and bolstering the learner's self-esteem.
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And when you ask for advice and are told �your job this month is to get used to being here. We know it�s a waste of time to come to the BoE, but you just have to is all� then what. The JTEs didn�t want to meet before September because it was summer holiday. They weren�t at school.
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| Most JETs have very little work experience and may have never worked in an office setting before. |
Another complaint of mine related to JET. |
It�s an assumption that is built in. The assumption is that people who are young are more able to adapt to new surroundings (not always true) and that after three years of JET, they will go home and start working for a company. They will them start business deals with Japanese companies because of their positive feelings towards this country. These positive feelings are created by having an easy job which pays well.
Also, it wouldn�t be feasible to expect people to leave a job to go overseas for a year or two or up to five. At least the JET program doesn�t try to get people here for an April 1 start. They WANT recent graduates. That�s why the advertising is placed in universities, and not newspapers.
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| And if you're staying for a following year, you may well have already planned everything you need for the following term in the last week or so of school when you often have no classes and so are sitting around at your school. |
Everything? I refuse to believe that. I've been here for plenty of years, in eikaiwa and high school and university, and I've never been able to plan for everything that I am going to do. There is always something to work on! |
Over-planning a lesson is when you start planning for every minute of a lesson. If you do that, then you are likely to become too attached to the lesson plan. That�s just bad teaching. And besides, JETS are ASSISTANT Language Teachers. Any input they give may actually be resented. In fact, IME the higher your qualifications in language teaching or k-12 teaching, the more likely it is that the JTEs will see things you do as being based on a �how you *should* teach English in Japan� mindset which will be resented.
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Tough as that sort of situation is, if you don't want to be looking up the latest movies on Yahoo, learn how to deal with the situation. This is where JET should be training the ALTs how to handle team teaching situations. I suspect it does to a degree, but I don't know how far that goes. Regardless, if an ALT doesn't like it, don't watch reruns of Lost on torrent channels; find out how to do your job better! |
First, I have never seen any JET watching TV on the internet at work. They talk about the bit torrents on bigdaikon etc. But that�s them starting to download them on their home computer before going to work so that they can watch them when they get HOME from work.
Next, compared with dispatch ALTs, JET ALTs get a LOT of training in language teaching and team teaching. There are several prefectural conferences per year. There are regional conferences (in Tokyo or Yokohama for Kanto region, for example) once or twice a year as well. The regional ones have PhD sporting English language professors giving really, really great information. JTEs are at some of these as well as ALTs. Then they go back and nothing changes. ALTs are assistants.
Prefectural conferences are in a workshop format. They are a case of the blind leading the blind. A (usually) second year or above ALT is assigned a topic to be a presenter or moderator for. They are responsible for researching and presenting it. The moderator makes sure that the workshop groups stay focussed. The problem is that most of these people don�t have a whole lot of training, and so fall back on the handouts that they got last year from somebody else (who, in turn, fell back on the handouts that they also got the year before). Sometimes they don�t even understand what the term they were assigned means. They may not have recognized a linguistic term and just sort of thought about what it could possibly mean themselves and just gone from there. Is there something wrong with that? Yeah. But there�s something wrong with knowing which of the ALTs has a decent amount of linguistic training and then NOT using them to do it. It�s like the goal is to get somebody to research something for themselves and then present it to others (nothing wrong with that) as if they knew for sure what they were talking about (and there�s a lot wrong with that).
I think the truth is that the Prefectural Board Of Education knows that this is what�s going on and they don�t really care. They don�t really care because in truth the main purpose of these meetings is just to give ALTs (and CIRs) a chance to hang out with each other. There are JETs who are so far away from trains that they haven�t seen another foreigner since the last conference. You can tell which ones they are because they are either babbling non-stop, or else sitting in a chair staring (often even hugging their knees to their chests). It�s easy to scoff at it, but it actually IS the situation for a number of JETs. In my first town, the Japan Times was delivered to my place every morning because the BoE wanted to try to find some way to cut down on the isolation. Internet outside of the BoE and school was dial-up only for some reason, and so using it for more than just sending an email pre-typed on Word would get expensive.
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| and so veto it after pretending to look over it because they don't want to change anything they've done in the past for some unqualified newbie who'll likely be gone in a year. |
Hey, JET! Stop hiring these unqualified people, ok? Bad precedent for the others. |
Ummm.... actually in that example, the problem was the JTE. JTEs may not want to change what they�ve been doing for years, and may not see the any need for anything that doesn�t prepare students for the entrance exam from the last time they bothered to look to see what�s on it (like fifteen years ago). |
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Glenski

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Got a lot to respond to there, Gambatte, and I'll try to make it succinct. I think we are crossing wires on a few things here.
The reason I joined the discussion was to point out that many JET ALTs are seen as lazy and that they don't make use of their down time. Posts from BigDaikon support the fact that this is true in many cases. Most? Dunno, but it's a widespread phenomenon.
JET hires people to do a job, and it is PR on the surface, yes. JET calls it internationalization. It also involves tough things like getting used to team teaching. The point I wanted to make overall was simply that ALTs need to demonstrate that they can take charge of their time without presenting a bad image. Is it easy? No. Is it something they should still strive to do? Yes.
Do you agree with that much?
Planning lessons shows one is trying to fit in and do the non-PR part of the job. Yes, many JTEs don't let ALTs do much actual teaching, so what I'm saying by lesson planning covers a big area, from actual info gap activities to reading up on second language acquisition or team teaching strategies.
Putting things together for the next incoming ALT is also worthwhile and not a waste of time. The things seklarwia posted are also all good examples.
ALTs get lots of training, you said, but that is throughout the year. I suspect there is darned little early on, and that is an important time for an ALT to show that they are taking charge to learn things on their own.
maps and directions to their sites
key L1 and L2 words for classroom use
making templates for various activities
writing a journal for personal use or presentation
As for the impracticality of hiring enough ALTs with sufficient language skills, perhaps this is where JET should have from the very start decided that there needs to be a minimum and/or to provide training to reach that point. The government is considering giving 5-year visas to people who can prove certain language ability, and that's related. |
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What is "sitting and doing nothing"?
Uh, from posts on the BigDaikon it's pretty obvious. People (not everyone) literally can be found surfing the Internet all day, and BD even has had messages posted outside the forum showing people how to get around various school Internet censors. Surfing is taken to mean using the Internet for purposes unrelated to work or adapting to the culture here.
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| you can only plan so many lessons, when you are on a JHS level. |
This is where it can be a delicate thing for me to respond. I know the majority of JET ALTs are not serious minded teacher types. However, my feeling is that they should still try hard(er) to do their jobs, even if it means spending more time than they think is necessary to create lesson plans, learn more about the overall TEFL world, and show that they can work with JTEs (especially if they have a JTE who is not into having any ALT around). I'm familiar with a local group of ALTs (some JET, some not) in my area, and they constantly post to help each other. You can't overplan, if what you mean by that is to constantly upgrade one's knowledge of EFL. Considering that most JET ALTs don't have any background in it in the first place, they have a lot to learn. |
True enough, just wondering what your def was.
Oh course you can over plan. As kids react to lesson sin radically different ways. As well as your JTs changing the plan at the last minute/during class. best having a general outline of what you want to get done, and change with the situation.
That or be like the old Imperial German war planners, preparing for every possible situation. Which I am not going to do. Winging it, with a bit of prior planning is prolly the best way to go about it.
Of course being an ALT or an eikaiwa teacher means you have to learn on your own. Doesn't mean you are going to spend 8 hours a day studying EFL what not for weeks straight. If they really wanted you to learn, they would have taught you. They don't, so obviously they don't want good teachers. The lack of training makes that very clear.
Have to say, that ALTs DON'T get training. I proll had about 30mins of actual training, that pertained to teaching before I taught. I have prolly received about 3 or so more hours in the next 2 years. In fact there has never been a job where I have received less training. That is if you include me being abag boy at Safeway as well. |
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Mr_Monkey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 661 Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu
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| In fact there has never been a job where I have received less training. That is if you include me being abag boy at Safeway as well. |
Yep.
It's OK though, you can publish a couple of papers and it doesn't matter. |
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rxk22
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| In fact there has never been a job where I have received less training. That is if you include me being abag boy at Safeway as well. |
Yep.
It's OK though, you can publish a couple of papers and it doesn't matter. |
Does it have to be language related? Or can I write about whatever subject that I want to? |
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