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where to earn decent money without having a degree ?
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microbabe



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: where to earn decent money without having a degree ? Reply with quote

Hi,

We are currently in Sudan and enjoying it and the the money is good, paid in $, however there is a very high probability that our next contract will be in SDG. It is not worth the paper it is printed on and changing it to $ or pounds is near impossible and only in Sudan.

The question is where could we teach, earn decent money, but we haven`t go a degree ? Somewhere warm if poss.

I have the feeling only EU.

Thanks,
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure you will consider the money in the EU 'decent.' What are your standards for this?
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microbabe



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worked in Portugal for 6yrs and left this summer. Want to save a bit ,buy a car and maybe a holiday home. Just want a bit of money behind us, not getting any younger.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's difficult to achieve in Europe, particularly in the economically-challenged south, barring that you land a good university or international school position (unlikely without a degree).
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Spiral. Unless you've got a lot saved up, it's going to be difficult to buy a holiday home - any home - without a mortgage. And in Italy, at least, getting a mortgage entails a whole lot of bureaucracy, including verifiable source of income. If you're freelance (like me) that means at least three years' audited accounts.

Buying for cash makes more sense, but you'd be hard pressed to get anywhere under �50,000 in Italy which doesn't need major renovations work. And believe me when I say it, you really don't want all that aggro - especially for a holiday house.

As far as teaching is concerned, most places in Italy will want to see a degree. You could get by without one if you have a solid background (say in business) or if you start your own school, of course. The best paid work will be EU funded schemes and uni work. I'd go as far to say that these will be impossible without a degree.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's your nationality and age? You might qualify for a working holiday visa (no degree required).

Otherwise, you could use the 3 years of teaching experience to get a work visa in Japan even without a degree, but be prepared for steep competition from those who do have degrees (and perhaps even a foothold here already).

How much did you want to save after deductions?
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microbabe



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too old for a working visa.

We are both British I`m 45 and my husband is 56. I�ve got a strong microbiology /science background and my husband is business, finance and marketing.

Would like to save $1-1500 a month if possible.

Thanks for the info and help.

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

microbabe wrote:
We are both British I`m 45 and my husband is 56. I�ve got a strong microbiology /science background and my husband is business, finance and marketing.
And as far as I can tell from an earlier post, neither of you has a degree, right?
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Would like to save $1-1500 a month if possible.
US dollars? Canadian dollars? Aussie dollars?

How much actual accumulated FT teaching experience does each of you have? Lack of a degree means you will have to count on that for any country that will offer a visa based on experience alone (3 years for Japan).
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scratch



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could teach in China or in Taiwan although it would be illegal in Taiwan. It's warm there though. I suppose you could teach in a number of places illegally if you don't mind the risk. Here I wrote this guide to teaching English in Asia. If you look in the FAQ you'll find some more detailed info about that.
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microbabe



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Probably US $, since I think it is difficult to get into countries paying the other currencies.

My husband has about 15 yrs experience and I have about 8 yrs.

Not too sure about working illegally if you get caught. Sad

Thanks.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

microbabe wrote:
Hi,

Probably US $, since I think it is difficult to get into countries paying the other currencies.
I don't have a clue what you're talking about. You get paid the currency of the country where you live. Japan does not pay in American dollars or Mexican pesos or British pounds, for example.

Your question of how much you could save was essentially an equivalent, but you answered my question by saying the equivalent in U.S. $.


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My husband has about 15 yrs experience and I have about 8 yrs.
If you can substantiate that to immigration, you will not need a degree to get a work visa in Japan.
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fladude



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
I don't have a clue what you're talking about. You get paid the currency of the country where you live. Japan does not pay in American dollars or Mexican pesos or British pounds, for example.


Some LA countries pay US teachers in dollars, depends on who you work for though, International schools anyway, not sure about ESL centers.
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microbabe



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreign staff - British or American etc get paid here in Sudan in USD. Sudanese staff get paid in Sudanese Pounds (SDG). Don`t know why.

What paperwork do you need to substantiate the evidence to say you have the experience ? Old contracts ?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

microbabe wrote:
What paperwork do you need to substantiate the evidence to say you have the experience ? Old contracts ?


In addition to your cover letter, CV/resume, and copy of your TEFL certificate (if you have one), you should provide contact info for the places you worked and if possible, at least two reference letters on company/school letterhead from your most recent employers to indicate your scope of experience, work ethic, character, classroom management skills, etc. Reference or recommendation letters are especially beneficial if you don't possess academic credentials and transcripts. No need to present old contracts; they'd only confirm that you worked for XYZ school and wouldn't add anything to your qualifications. Plus, I doubt a potential employer would want to slog through another company's employment agreement to verify what you had been hired to do.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

microbabe,
Think about it. What would prove that you worked there? Your face in a brochure. A contract completion bonus record. A letter from the employer (best).
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