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djpresidente



Joined: 28 Jun 2011
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Location: M�xico, DF

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:23 am    Post subject: FM3 + Lawyers Reply with quote

Okay, I'm onto my second job in two months here in Mexico and we have to start the visa process all over again. My school is recommending I use a lawyer, which they said would cost around 2000 pesos, but when I emailed him, he asked for 5000, which is out of my price range (especially on top of the application fee itself).

So I have two questions:
1. Is this a precio gringo, in which case I should look for a cheaper lawyer?
2. Is the difficulty of visa process overblown, and should I just go to immigration myself?

The school is sponsoring me (giving me the letter), but I have to pay for the fees myself. I do want to get this done quickly, since I'm only working part time at the moment and don't have a ton of money.
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New Haven



Joined: 05 Nov 2005
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Location: Merida, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of having a school sponsor you, why don't you go the independiente route? That way you go once, it's good for all teaching jobs, including private lessons, and you don't have to worry about it for a year, at which time you need to get it renewed. Also, $5,000 seems ridiculously high. Here in Merida there is an ex-pat service that will do it all for you for $150.00 (plus the cost of the visa, photos and translation of certification). Or you can go on your own if your Spanish is good enough...or hire an interpreter.

Good luck.

Sharon
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Enchilada Potosina



Joined: 03 Aug 2010
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Location: Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is absolutely no need for a lawyer to get a visa here. Take someone along who speaks Spanish. Most of the process is done online now.
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Isla Guapa



Joined: 19 Apr 2010
Posts: 1520
Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago in Mexico City, I used a well-regarded immigration lawyer to get my FM3, and it cost me $4000 plus the usual fees to INM. It was not a gringo price, just his usual fee. I regarded it as money well spent because I didn't want to risk being denied the visa. Also, I was applying to work independently, which can make the process a bit trickier.
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djpresidente



Joined: 28 Jun 2011
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Location: M�xico, DF

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enchilada Potosina wrote:
There is absolutely no need for a lawyer to get a visa here. Take someone along who speaks Spanish. Most of the process is done online now.


I speak Spanish fluently, so I don't think that will be an issue. Talked to several people who went through the process last night plus a friend who works in immigration. They said the same thing.

Thanks for the advice!
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Enchilada Potosina



Joined: 03 Aug 2010
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Location: Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djpresidente wrote:
Enchilada Potosina wrote:
There is absolutely no need for a lawyer to get a visa here. Take someone along who speaks Spanish. Most of the process is done online now.


I speak Spanish fluently, so I don't think that will be an issue. Talked to several people who went through the process last night plus a friend who works in immigration. They said the same thing.

Thanks for the advice!

You're welcome, should be no problem. I've been through fm3, fm2, independiente status, to the final residence tramite and the only problems I had were caused by immigration themselves who are of course, never wrong, even when they are. Suerte!
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globalcitizen1968



Joined: 03 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it yourself! Lawyers have been known throughout the world to complicate things that aren't complicated and to slow things down. Plus, you do NOT want a school in Mexico to sponsor you because then you're stuck with them even when they don't pay you on time or the total amount. This will happen a lot so getting the work visa yourself is much better.
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BadBeagleBad



Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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Location: 24.18105,-103.25185

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enchilada Potosina wrote:

You're welcome, should be no problem. I've been through fm3, fm2, independiente status, to the final residence tramite and the only problems I had were caused by immigration themselves who are of course, never wrong, even when they are. Suerte!


Just out of curiousity, how are these different? And do they have more requirements for the permanent thingie?
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Phil_K



Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also say "Do it yourself". There are no tricks, no traps and the only advantage of paying someone else is to save you the frustration of hanging around the immigration office, although with the new(ish) online procedures that is much better than it used to be.

As long as you read the requirements well, there should be absolutely no problem. The worst that can happen is that you forget something and have to go back a second time.

One tip: Fill in and print off the "Hoja de Ayuda" online, and go to a local bank and pay before you go to immigration. This can be done in the office, but it means an extra queue, and possibly another one in the bank closest to immigration, where everyone is doing the same. This way, you can just present the paid and stamped bank receipt.
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Isla Guapa



Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like the process is much simpler than it was when I went through it in 2008, and it also sounds like INM is trying to be helpful and not looking for ways to trip you up and deny you the visa. Good luck to everyone!
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djpresidente



Joined: 28 Jun 2011
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Location: M�xico, DF

PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:

One tip: Fill in and print off the "Hoja de Ayuda" online, and go to a local bank and pay before you go to immigration. This can be done in the office, but it means an extra queue, and possibly another one in the bank closest to immigration, where everyone is doing the same. This way, you can just present the paid and stamped bank receipt.


Which one is that for the FM3?

(Here's the link)
http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Derechos
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Phil_K



Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own

PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Choose from the first menu, "Derecho por servicios migratorios ordinarios (DSMO), and "F�sica" from the second menu.

2) Just fill in "Primer apellido" and "nombre(s)"

3) Choose "Visitante con entradas y salidas multiples - (d) para dedicarse a actividades lucrativas & your local immigration office in the second menu

...and print!
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New Haven



Joined: 05 Nov 2005
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Location: Merida, Mexico

PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil, the hoja de ayuda printed out like a charm. Now if the bank and INM accept it, I'll be a happy camper!!

Thanks.

Sharon
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bank will accept it, it has a government reference on it. INM only needs the bank receipt & (I think) 2 copies.
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