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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 1473 Location: asia
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: School under fire for testing pupils' IQ |
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GUANGZHOU - A probe has been launched into why a school in this southern metropolis sent a group of struggling students to hospital for an IQ test.
Suifeng Primary School has come in for harsh criticism since it had doctors check the intelligence of 13 youngsters who performed poorly in examinations.
Many people said the move was aimed at boosting the school's average academic record, claiming that regulations allow authorities to discount exam scores of pupils found to be of low intelligence when assessing overall teaching performance, which would allow staff to receive bigger bonuses.
School heads insisted, however, that they simply wanted to learn more about the children so they could better teach them in accordance with their aptitudes.
Education authorities in Guangzhou's Baiyun district have pledged to investigate and punish anyone if there has been a violation of the law or regulations.
Baiyun officials declined to comment about the case when contacted by China Daily on Wednesday.
However, an unnamed official quoted by Guangzhou-based Information Times said: "Education departments have never introduced regulations that allow schools to test the IQ of their students."
The official also denied there is a policy of ruling out the performance of students with low IQs when assessing a school's teaching level.
The 13 pupils were taken to Guangdong 999 Brain Hospital on Oct 10. According to a media report that quoted doctors at the clinic, seven of the youngsters - their ages were not specified - scored less that 80 points on the IQ test, suggesting a potential mental deficiency. |
http://www.edvantage.com.sg/edvantage/news/news/787170/School_under_fire_for_testing_pupils_IQ_Guangzhou.html |
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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i'm not sure from your post whether or not you agree with the
actions of the school.
regardless, it's very poor reporting. too many unnamed sources.
too little fact-checking of the limited facts.
"Many people said" sorta kinda destroys any credibility the 'reporter'
may have had. and then to reference another media report? why
not just post a link and skip the rest? |
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igorG
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I am not sure i understand you. Isn't my link the same report? Links may disappear, and so i've quoted it. Hope it's not a big offence on my part, is it?
Quoting sources without providing and opinion isn't illegal too, is it? But if you wish to know what i think, i'll share my view. Many pre-schools, primary and secondary schools around are looking out for themselves much more than for their students. By the same token, IQ testing, to my knowledge, is quite common in western public schools. As a parent, i wouldn't mind my primary school daughter taking it.
As for the facts, the Baiyun primary school has done what paying parents don't like here. This isn't about the reporter's credibility but the school's as well as the whole educational system's. |
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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my remark about referencing 'another' media report was about
the reporter repeating info from a previous report. nothing to
do with your inclusion of part of the text.
if you post a report on a forum, it's useful to add something, you
know, to get the ball rolling.
i didn't see where the parents of the students were complaining.
in fact, the school notified the parents first, and promised the results
would be confidential. it's unclear as to who leaked the story.
the reporter claims the school officials have come under harsh
criticism. but from whom? could it be the unnamed 'many people'
in the third paragraph?
i can't tell who is complaining? where's the scandal? poor
performing students are given a health check. sounds reasonable.
given the poor reporting, i suspect the reporter doesn't know
what was tested. something to do with intelligence? oh, that
must be a QQ test! many things can affect a child's behavior,
attention span, emotions, and test performance. poor diet?
lead paint? pollution? heavy metals in the drinking water?
so they shouldn't be tested? ignore the problem? |
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eslteach
Joined: 28 Sep 2010 Posts: 94
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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choudoufu wrote: |
my remark about referencing 'another' media report |
why is "another" in those lame ass quotes? |
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:42 am Post subject: |
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eslteach wrote: |
choudoufu wrote: |
my remark about referencing 'another' media report |
why is "another" in those lame ass quotes? |
that be where i am quoting my use of ""another"" in my
earlier post. op posted part of a news report. the
reporter, within the report, referenced ""another"" report. |
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jayjjasper

Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 344
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Quoting sources without providing and opinion isn't illegal too, is it? |
Actually it would be questionable if providing a statement without clearly identifying the source. A common trick of media.
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so they shouldn't be tested? ignore the problem? |
Taking for grated the instrument used would be valid, I think I would question the results unless the testing was done by the qualified and the test suited to this level of student and age requirements.
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given the poor reporting, i suspect the reporter doesn't know
what was tested. something to do with intelligence? oh, that
must be a QQ test! many things can affect a child's behavior,
attention span, emotions, and test performance. poor diet?
lead paint? pollution? heavy metals in the drinking water? |
Much like the iodine level in grits served for breakfast in the south, MSG can have a leave a harmful residue at the base of the brain stem....ok... I'm just pulling your leg.... |
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igorG
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="jayjjasper"]
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Quoting sources without providing and opinion isn't illegal too, is it? |
Actually it would be questionable if providing a statement without clearly identifying the source. A common trick of media.quote]Firstly i am sorry i meant "an opinion". Secondly the follow-up is actually twisting my response. What is "questionable" to me is a view of another poster that wants me to get my feet wet first. Posting a link with a quote out of it without any balls rolling shouldn't be questionable on the forum. I'd say, read it and either post or don't. But don't come here purposely as an insinuating jack arse (not aimed at jay).
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so they shouldn't be tested? ignore the problem?
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Taking for grated the instrument used would be valid, I think I would question the results unless the testing was done by the qualified and the test suited to this level of student and age requirements. |
I believe it's well noted where it was done and i doubt amateurs conducted some unreasonable tests.
This case reeks of an issue this country is having. The fact is that teachers MUST make all students pass the schools' exams well and another fact is that kids' parents and schools' leaderships most often put pressure and even a blame on the teachers that fail their students. And, i think the report has commented on this subject too.
In my professional opinion, if a school choses to test its kids' IQ or QQ for reasons of its students underperformance, it is a much better school then a school that choses to cheat. It's a common practice to coach students towards exams, and it's also quite normal to pass on the same official exams twice or even three times in local classrooms.
As for Chinese parents, many face a lot of pressure as of late and they have high hopes in their children. Then, despite seeing what their kids are capable or incapable of doing, they impose on their children, the school and its teachers.
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the reporter claims the school officials have come under harsh
criticism. but from whom? could it be the unnamed 'many people'
in the third paragraph?
i can't tell who is complaining? where's the scandal? poor
performing students are given a health check. sounds reasonable. |
Yes, it sure vibrates commonsensically. In China, fingers sometimes aren't pointed in certain directions. Let's call it either a "facial preservation" or "i want to keep my job", shall we? |
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jayjjasper

Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 344
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: |
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13 pupils were taken to Guangdong 999 Brain Hospital on Oct 10 |
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I believe it's well noted where it was done and i doubt amateurs conducted some unreasonable tests. |
This was not an academic setting and the pupil could be stigmatize from the test and this could lead to further failure based on poor self image and teasing from classmates.
I would question any schools authority to deliver students to a metal hospital as opposed to administering standard test. |
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igorG
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Jay, I must say that that is a really good point there.
However, as for the "standard tests" i don't think they are done on mainland much. And, we know the reasons behind that, don't we? |
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jayjjasper

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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:24 am Post subject: |
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I think the whole of the education system in china is based on a standardized test which gives extra points to minority groups and those of specialized cases. In fact world wide I think standardized testing is weighing the attributes of the test takers. |
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igorG
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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jayjjasper wrote: |
I think the whole of the education system in china is based on a standardized test... |
Yes, but it is not the IQ tests, is it? |
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jayjjasper

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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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However, as for the "standard tests" i don't think they are done on mainland much. And, we know the reasons behind that, don't we? |
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Yes, but it is not the IQ tests, is it? |
Actually I responding to your post as to standard test.
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jayjjasper wrote:
I think the whole of the education system in china is based on a standardized test... |
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igorG
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Well, sorry to have misled but i've discussed the IQ one. |
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