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melssa
Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Posts: 19 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:54 pm Post subject: Can I get an insider's view on countries? |
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I am currently working in the Middle East, but due to the unbelievable behavior issues at the schools am leaving. My friend and I had a vacation to Thailand planned, and so we are going to leave in a week or so for Thailand, but want to move on to either Japan, Taiwan, or a country beginning with K after that time in order to find a position. Neither of us are partiers.
These are our qualifications. I am an American single female, 30, white and not bad looking (which I mention because in my experience it DOES seem to make a difference). I have a Masters in Education, and my experience is as follows, from most recent: 3 months teaching English, Maths, and Science in the UAE, 5 months longterm subbing, 7 months teaching lessons to EFL children in an afterschool/preschool/daycare program, 1 month longterm subbing, and interspersed subbing at different schools.
He is an American single male, 29, Bachelors degree but no educational experience or CELTA/TEFL.
This is what I know about that particular country beginning with K: you have to do your research to find a reputable place, once you secure placement you can get packages such as reimbursed airfare and housing. The low cost of living and the relatively high wage allows for a person to save some money. The children are relatively well-behaved, but the Koreans as a whole are less welcoming and somewhat racist. You are often seen as a 'white face' in the classroom and less might be expected of you regarding actual teaching than in other countries. It is possible for me to gain a public school position there and my friend has a good chance of landing employment without teaching credentials or experience. Large expat community.
Taiwan: doesn't offer packages although some will help you with reimbursed airfare/housing, not usually both and often neither. The low cost of living allows one to save some money but not as much as South Korea. There is a bit more expected of you in regards to teaching, sometimes necessary to travel to several locations to teach, and finding private students can often be more lucrative and rewarding. I could gain a public school position there and there are opportunities for my friend to gain employment as well. Quality of life is better in that the locals are more welcoming and less racist. Large expat community. Ability to learn Chinese which is going to be a bit more useful back in the states, there is more of a cultural experience to be found here.
Japan: my friend and I have lived here before, me for 6 months and he for a year. We both love the culture, have some familiarity with the language, and of the Tokyo and Kyoto area. However, competition for jobs is steep, it's difficult to save money (although we do have some idea on how to live more cheaply, having been there before). We prefer Japan but while I may have a chance to find employment, he has much less of one. There is a smaller expat community here and racism.
We don't have much interest in staying and working in Thailand, it's too difficult to save any money unless you have landed a great position. We are searching for a place with a good cultural experience, more laid back lifestyle (guess Japan is out!^_^), ability to save some money (I want to send about 300-400 home a month, and have something at the end of my contract), and good prospects for both of us finding employment.
Can anyone help us in providing their own experience and opinions as to where we ought to look first? Thank you so much!
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creztor
Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 476
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like it is T or K. If you want more money, head to K. If you want a better/easier life, then head to T. |
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melssa
Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Posts: 19 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. Yes, I got that already...but I have been hearing from lots of people that actually WORKING in T is not so easy, although the lifestyle might be, and that working in K is actually easier...opinions? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Can I get an insider's view on countries? |
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melssa wrote: |
These are our qualifications. I am an American single female, 30, white and not bad looking (which I mention because in my experience it DOES seem to make a difference). |
It doesn't make a difference in Japan.
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He is an American single male, 29, Bachelors degree but no educational experience or CELTA/TEFL. |
Do you mean your friend is not in the ME with you, and he has no teaching experience?
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3 months teaching English, Maths, and Science in the UAE, 5 months longterm subbing, 7 months teaching lessons to EFL children in an afterschool/preschool/daycare program, 1 month longterm subbing, and interspersed subbing at different schools. |
Why list these subbing episodes separately instead of just saying 6 months longterm subbing? And, what is "longterm"?
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This is what I know about that particular country
Japan: my friend and I have lived here before, me for 6 months and he for a year. We both love the culture, have some familiarity with the language, and of the Tokyo and Kyoto area. However, competition for jobs is steep, it's difficult to save money (although we do have some idea on how to live more cheaply, having been there before). |
Saving money can be difficult or easy. It all depends on how much you choose to party, sightsee, and just plain live within one's means. There are those who save zero and those who save USD1000 per month. Look at the thread on "cheapskates" that I started a few years ago for some tips.
You want to send home $300-400 per month, and that is entirely and easily possible, especially since you said you are not the party-going type.
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We prefer Japan but while I may have a chance to find employment, he has much less of one. There is a smaller expat community here and racism. |
Frankly, I'd say you both stand roughly equal chances at finding work here in Japan, despite the differences in your degrees. You might stand a slightly better chance, but it depends on many things.
So, you're going to Thailand for a vacation and then to parts unknown. Well, it's almost November, and that means fairly bleak times for finding work in Japan until late January. If there are openings, you're going to have to come here and interview, then wait several weeks to start because of the application process and the visa processing time. Keep this in mind.
You are interested in culture. Japan has some.
You want "good prospects for both of us finding employment". Well, to be honest, IMO you are both going to have to look for entry level work, which means ALT or eikaiwa (conversation school). Your master's might get you something in a junior college, but as you know, competition everywhere in Japan is steep, and many JCs are asking for more than just a master's degree sometimes (that means publications and sometimes Japanese language ability).
I'd say determine your timing more than anything else. You can find work from the US, but the opportunities are more limited than if you were here sniffing around. Come here, though, and you should expect to support yourselves for 2-4 months, which means having US$4000-5000 in hand until that first paycheck.
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creztor
Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 476
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Do you hold a valid teacher's license? If so, then a public school job in Taiwan will be easy to find, but your friend will be stuck working in cram schools. They are OK, but become boring very quickly and the quality of them varies greatly. Work is easy to find in Taipei and can still be found outside of Taipei, but it does become increasingly more difficult to find. I would strongly recommend K over T, simply because you will earn a boatload more money and there is plenty of work. Taiwan is still doable, but your friend will find it harder to get work than you will. |
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