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whiteshoes
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:28 pm Post subject: Testing the waters |
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I'm currently on a two year contract, that is up Feb. 2013, and I will not re-sign. I'm trying to get a grasp on what I can do in other countries around the world. Take a look, and tell me what I could do. I'll give the information of what I will have in 2013.
Thanks.
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USA citizen, male, 34.
Four years experience, all in Korea. One year at a language school, one year at a public elementary school, and two at a university.
Bachelor's degree from the US, MATESOL from a Korean university, and an online TEFL.
Not sure if it matters but also 3 years volunteering teaching North Korean refugees. |
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big_big_bang_theory_fan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| This has zilch to do with China! |
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Ariadne
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:50 am Post subject: |
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You could likely find a job at a Chinese university with no problem.
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whiteshoes
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| big_big_bang_theory_fan wrote: |
| This has zilch to do with China! |
So are you saying that I'm not qualified to teach in China?
The place I work at now has informed the entire staff that they are redoing the contracts and everyone needs to find a new job when their contract is over.
While I'm in Korea now, I'm trying to get a feel of other places I could teach. So I wonder, with my experience and qualifications, where could I work in China?
Would this be enough for a uni? A good uni? Should I only think about language schools?
I have friends in Jilin and Xi'an, so I'm giving some serious thought to China. |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| whiteshoes wrote: |
| big_big_bang_theory_fan wrote: |
| This has zilch to do with China! |
So are you saying that I'm not qualified to teach in China? |
No, this poster is just putting out there the fact that they cannot read and comprehend a basic post and its relation to the topic. Stick around, you will see it is hardly unusual.
Your are certainly more than qualified to come and teach in China, either at a university or a private language school. A 'good university' is a tricky proposition here, as even at the better schools FTs are likely simply to be teaching elements of English to large classes of students, many of whom are not studying languages but are simply required to take it. The pay at university is often less, but look at the package, including hours, housing and other perks, to measure such a job against a private language school.
You are doing your research early enough, so keep digging around and you will start to get a clear picture of the reality of teaching in China and whether you think it is for you. |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| dean_a_jones wrote: |
| whiteshoes wrote: |
| big_big_bang_theory_fan wrote: |
| This has zilch to do with China! |
So are you saying that I'm not qualified to teach in China? |
No, this poster is just putting out there the fact that they cannot read and comprehend a basic post and its relation to the topic. Stick around, you will see it is hardly unusual.
Your are certainly more than qualified to come and teach in China, either at a university or a private language school. A 'good university' is a tricky proposition here, as even at the better schools FTs are likely simply to be teaching elements of English to large classes of students, many of whom are not studying languages but are simply required to take it. The pay at university is often less, but look at the package, including hours, housing and other perks, to measure such a job against a private language school.
You are doing your research early enough, so keep digging around and you will start to get a clear picture of the reality of teaching in China and whether you think it is for you. |
Thanks a lot. I had read about the issues with uni work, and I will keep paying attention here to get a better feel for it. I've got plenty of time to figure it out.
Cheers |
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Old Surrender
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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Location: The World's Largest Tobacco Factory
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Woah, another another teacher from Korea looking to make a jump posting on this forum. Is there some sort of mass exodus out of the Land of the Morning Calm or is this a mere coincidence?
I've known a few folks who were willing to climb Mt. Everest to score the coveted "E" visa to work there a couple years ago.
Long story short, yeah, you'll find a gig. It may take longer if you narrow it to two places, but I don't foresee problems. |
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whiteshoes
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| Old Surrender wrote: |
Woah, another another teacher from Korea looking to make a jump posting on this forum. Is there some sort of mass exodus out of the Land of the Morning Calm or is this a mere coincidence?
I've known a few folks who were willing to climb Mt. Everest to score the coveted "E" visa to work there a couple years ago.
Long story short, yeah, you'll find a gig. It may take longer if you narrow it to two places, but I don't foresee problems. |
Well the immigration rules keep getting more and more strict, so I think that's part of it. The other big thing is when you read the Korea boards on here, the generally theme is that things are growing in China, whereas Korea has peaked.
Either way, I need to cover my bases. And thanks for the advice. |
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Old Surrender
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Right on. Remember this: Language school owners here are as trustworthy as hagwan owners are in Korea. Whatever lessons you've learned about finding, getting, and keeping your job (not to mention sanity) in Korea you can probably apply here, too.
Good luck and welcome to the Heavenly Kingdom/Middle Kingdom/Center of the Entire Freakin' World. |
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Baozi man
Joined: 06 Sep 2011
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Perhaps the best days in China are gone. Some schools are cutting back on English teaching. They recognize it as largely a waste of time and money.
With your background, you should find a job. Youth is also in your favor. |
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Miajiayou
Joined: 30 Apr 2011
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Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| No, this poster is just putting out there the fact that they cannot read and comprehend a basic post and its relation to the topic. Stick around, you will see it is hardly unusual. |
hahahaha
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USA citizen, male, 34.
Four years experience, all in Korea. One year at a language school, one year at a public elementary school, and two at a university.
Bachelor's degree from the US, MATESOL from a Korean university, and an online TEFL.
Not sure if it matters but also 3 years volunteering teaching North Korean refugees. |
Your experience and education are good. If you want to work in China, apply to a LOT of schools, and be prepared to play chicken. I know it is natural to want to secure a job with plenty of time available, but many schools here are trying to stick their heads in the sand regarding industry standards and won't agree to a fair salary until time is almost up. |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Miajiayou wrote: |
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| No, this poster is just putting out there the fact that they cannot read and comprehend a basic post and its relation to the topic. Stick around, you will see it is hardly unusual. |
hahahaha
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USA citizen, male, 34.
Four years experience, all in Korea. One year at a language school, one year at a public elementary school, and two at a university.
Bachelor's degree from the US, MATESOL from a Korean university, and an online TEFL.
Not sure if it matters but also 3 years volunteering teaching North Korean refugees. |
Your experience and education are good. If you want to work in China, apply to a LOT of schools, and be prepared to play chicken. I know it is natural to want to secure a job with plenty of time available, but many schools here are trying to stick their heads in the sand regarding industry standards and won't agree to a fair salary until time is almost up. |
Gotcha. See this is the kind of thing that's great to know at an early stage. The more I know the "politics" for lack of a better word, the better off I'll be. |
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big_big_bang_theory_fan
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| dean_a_jones wrote: |
No, this poster is just putting out there the fact that they cannot read and comprehend a basic post and its relation to the topic. Stick around, you will see it is hardly unusual.
You are doing your research early enough, so keep digging around and you will start to get a clear picture of the reality of teaching in China and whether you think it is for you. |
Actually, it's to prove a point. If you (we or anyone) expect to be professional, it all requires and begins with the basic concept of proper communication of thoughts.
There was no communication of the fact the user wanted to "test[ing] the waters" in China." Just being in the China forum isn't enough. Indicating his experience was in Korea and now wanting to "grasp on what I can do in OTHER COUNTRIES" is vague enough to not be CHINA specific.
It's about time you people learn to spell, write, communicate, and act appropriately in a forum that is supposedly teacher dominated. Day after day and post after post show the lack of any of these factors in, what should be, professional and strongly written posts.
Where is the harm in being above reproach in posts. Instead, people come around here and only PROVE the clearly-held beliefs of the scum of the earth coming to China to teach because they can do nothing else. I find it interesting the influx of ex-Korea-based teachers coming to China now that criminal record checks are required.
Far too many bad opinions of me are floating around simply because I am a foreign male in this country; despite being here 8+ years and married to a China national and having had only 3 different jobs in that time. And, the fact is, it's because Chinese folks come around here and see the piddly behavior, poor writing, inability to communicate simply points, and so on.
Therefore, learn to communicate your point properly by not assuming my intent or purpose before actually asking for it.
tsk tsk tsk
And, again, as usual, another user that attacks and blames, points the finger, and acts like a 3-year old by using anonymity to call people names rather than act... (already discussed). |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| big_big_bang_theory_fan wrote: |
It's about time you people learn to spell, write, communicate, and act appropriately in a forum that is supposedly teacher dominated. |
Perhaps you should heed your own advice.
Just a thought. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Just getting back to the OP...
You will be aware that most uni jobs are for 1 Sept start. The recruiting begins April/May-ish.
Your availability is pretty good for Spring semester but of course the number of jobs on offer is much smaller.
Unless you are a home certificated subject teacher and can enter the international school sector, you will find salaries low in China. But, as others have mentioned look at the package.
I OPd a job offer checklist a few weeks ago and some good contributions there. |
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