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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:38 am    Post subject: money wasters Reply with quote

I'm trying to get a job in KSA for the simple reason of money. From the other posts here, it sounds as if there is almost no other reason to go to the country.

My question to all is what are the items/activities that can burn up a paycheck? I'm not a drinker and I hate shopping so what should I avoid in order to hold onto as much money as possible?

Thanks.

DirtGuy
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You obviously won't be spending your money on booze. Grocery items aren't expensive, but if you eat out a lot or order food delivery on a daily basis, the costs add up. Any travel runs outside the Kingdom could also eat up your riyals because you'd have to pay for hotels, transportation, eating out, and so on. It really depends on your personal lifestyle and whether you'll be supporting a wife and children living with you as well.
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No wife or kids. It will just be me. I'd like to travel but if it means not being able to send money home, then I'll stay put. I actually like my own cooking so I plan to cook most of my meals.

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McBrainiac



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion, there is nothing to spend money on in country, period. Best place in the world to save money, bar none. It even beats Japan for this purpose because the cost of living over there not to mention lots of things to spend your money on everywhere.
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sofaspud



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel you DirtGuy, that's the only reason I'm taking up an offer in KSA.
First thing I'm going to do is pay off my healthy student loan...
God bless Student Finance UK. Crying or Very sad
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Badar Bin Bada Boom



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtGuy wrote:
No wife or kids. It will just be me. I'd like to travel but if it means not being able to send money home, then I'll stay put. I actually like my own cooking so I plan to cook most of my meals.

DirtGuy


If you can't make enough money to travel then you would be insane to opt for Saudi Arabia, obviously! You can be poor and stay put in any one of 173 better countries.. You have to budget a sizable amount of your income for vacations out of the country, because nobody--particularly a bachelor--can stay in the Kingdom for a full year without an international vacation. It's not just a matter of contact with the opposite sex, which is forbidden in the kingdom unless the other is a spouse or immediate family member. (I work in a region where we single men NEVER see a woman's face or hear a woman's voice except on TV. It's a sick and perverted way to run a society, but I knew what I was getting into as an older Gulf veteran, and I have the funds for lavish vacations while still saving toward my goal.) Anyway it's not just that; it's the complete and total sterility of cultural sensory deprivation.

In the UAE you can hang out for a year without leaving, yes. Not in the KSA. Not if you're a normal westerner.
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBBB,

I appreciate your input and what you are talking about is something that does concern me. My situation is that I am 54, tons of experience teaching but bumping up against that 55 age limit I keep hearing about, and having serious money problems due to a floundering business in the States. Unless I can send $2K back here each month, I lose 4 years of work and many, many thousands of dollars invested into a trailer park business I was stupid enough to buy. Given the choice of losing my investment or staying in KSA for a year, I'll take the latter any day of the week. There is also the possibility of making enough money to pay my bills AND travel a bit. Got to keep optimistic. Besides, I've been stuck in Youngstown, OH and Pittsburgh, PA for 4 years. Given the nature of these 2 places, I'm well prepared for what awaits me in KSA.

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Badar Bin Bada Boom



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compared to KSA, Pittsburgh same-same Paradise, teacher. You must be joking. There is nothing in Ohio or Penna. that will prepare you for KSA.

The age limit here for starting (not leaving) is generally 60, not 55.

I don't know what your academic and experiential qualifications are in TEFL. If they're "good" enough you can make anywhere from $41,500 to $80,000 to start. Universities are on the lower end and some of the military-related ones are on the upside. This is tax-free, of course, with free housing.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Automobiles. I know someone who just ended up 40,000 SR out of pocket as a result of an "incident". The only protection is Divine Providence.

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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBBB,

Yes, I see what you are driving at. OH and PA has the American culture to which I am accustomed but it doesn't have decent paying jobs or, in the case of OH, any type of jobs at all. At least over there I will have some money for a change.

It looks to me like I will have the following guaranteed expenses:

food costs for what I cook (the majority of meals)
lunch at a cheap cafe
taxi and/or other transportation costs for anywhere other than the school
some sort of expense for whatever passes for entertainment there
possible health club expense for exercise
clothing costs at least initially
some items to furnish the flat at least initially

Am I missing anything?

Given an absolute bottom salary of $3500/month and my need to send back at least $2K monthly, is the remaining $1500 sufficient to cover the above expenses?

Thanks for your help.

DirtGuy
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Badar Bin Bada Boom



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtGuy wrote:
BBBB,

Yes, I see what you are driving at. OH and PA has the American culture to which I am accustomed but it doesn't have decent paying jobs or, in the case of OH, any type of jobs at all. At least over there I will have some money for a change.

It looks to me like I will have the following guaranteed expenses:

food costs for what I cook (the majority of meals)
lunch at a cheap cafe
taxi and/or other transportation costs for anywhere other than the school
some sort of expense for whatever passes for entertainment there
possible health club expense for exercise
clothing costs at least initially
some items to furnish the flat at least initially

Am I missing anything?

Given an absolute bottom salary of $3500/month and my need to send back at least $2K monthly, is the remaining $1500 sufficient to cover the above expenses?

Thanks for your help.

DirtGuy


Nice try, dirtman, but I still don't think you get what I'm driving at. What I said before: complete and total sterility of cultural sensory deprivation. I meant what I said. Forget American culture--ANY culture. Clear now? Shocked

What passes for entertainment? There is none, except for satellite TV, internet and books you can bring in (Kindle works here). Fortunately the MIddle East's Orbit-Showtime network offers about 80 English channels including quite a few uncensored premium movie channels and also including a number of HD ones. Definitely worth it at $65 a month. Other offerings include most of the US news shows.

Is $1500 enough for local expenses? Certainly. I spend about $325 at the most. Others spend even less. I have a company car, though, with free gas, and the employer pays my satellite. I just pay for food and the internet. Food prices seem about the same as in the US.

Most people don't take taxis to work, nor do they generally need to buy furniture. You can't stand around in 115-degree heat with 80% humidity waiting for a taxi to go to work. Many get free transport to work, while a minority buy their own car. Some get by without a car by bumming rides every day. Furniture is normally provided.
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It's Scary!



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh...the joys of military contracts and compound living...even in the nexus of Hell!

It's a great gig if you can get it!
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBBB,

This info is good and I appreciate getting it. My planning is getting easier the more such info I get.

I'm sure I will be in for quite a cultural shock but that's OK. There are far worse situations than what you have descibed and I hope you never have to find out about any of them.

Thanks again.

DirtGuy
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sharter



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:51 am    Post subject: you'll be fine Reply with quote

You'll easily be able to send 2 k home a month. Just don't go to Bahrain. Groceries are cheap as are takeaways. Depending on where you are housed you'll probably have access to sports facilities and cable TV will be providied. At 54, having a 'dull' life will be manageable for a year I'm sure. It won't be the KSA that drives you nuts, it'll be your colleagues probably. I'm in Kuwait right now but was in Saudi..........it sure ain't eastern Europe! Vinnell are advertising right now....bad students but probably good money.
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Badar Bin Bada Boom



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vinnell should be avoided, at the bottom of your list, due to work conditions and the way people are treated there.

I agree about colleagues driving you crazy. We only have a couple. One has a boorish loudmouth that drones all day and when a bachelor reaches workday's end, there is no antidote--no woman's voice to soothe him, other than on TV.
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