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Cool Teacher

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:43 am Post subject:

But I would worry that the employer could eb prejudiced against single people.

Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject:

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Discrimination as you know it exists differently in Japan.

Cool Teacher

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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject:

Glenski wrote:

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Discrimination as you know it exists differently in Japan.

Could you eplain waht you mean by "You can't have your cake and eat is too"? Confused

Does this clcihe have a purpose here? My question is why would I put it down if it didn't help my chances of getting a job? Cool

Do you know what "You can't have your cake and eat it, too" means? Confused

It means trying to have it both ways! How am I trying to have it both ways??? Confused

And waht does this mean:

"Discrimination as you know it exists differently in Japan"?

Do you mean, discrimination exists in Japan although it is different from what you expect?

If so, how do you know what I expect? Confused

Mr_Monkey

Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject:

Haven't you heard? Japan is different. /sarcasm.

Glenski

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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:54 pm Post subject:

Cool Teacher,
You seem to be worried about discrimination whether someone lists being married or single (whatever their status is).

If you try to keep it under wraps to avoid discrimination, you will have to divulge it anyway. That's what I meant.

Cool Teacher wrote:

But would one marital status benefit someone over another marital staturs?

Hard to say. If you say you are married, they will probably caution you about housing. I think it's AEON who say you have to pay for the housing they provide, even if you decide something else (bigger) is better for the 2 of you. Most other employers would probably just say their housing is designed only for 1 occupant, and then it's a toss of a coin whether they choose to help you find another place (or serve as guarantor for it). The same thing goes even if you are single and opt for different housing, but the odds are that you wouldn't do that, compared to a married couple.

Employers may or may not be concerned about the visa or work status of that spouse. It's not their responsibility, other than deciding whether to offer visa sponsorship to their employees, after which a spouse is eligible for a dependent visa. But the DV is not directly tied to the employer, and it's the teacher and his spouse who should deal with that. Hard to say how employers think when this happens, though. My guess is that they don't bother fretting over it.

So, you have a single person vs. married one. If all other things are equal (unlikely), would they take one over the other? The fact that they are not equal is the answer. Just my opinion.

Mr. Monkey's (admittedly sarcastic) comment about Japan and discrimination being different actually does have a serious side. American resumes don't include photos for fear of discrimination. Same for marital status. These and a few other questions/pieces of information are commonly asked for in Japan without batting an eye because they are not considered discriminatory. Whether they are (like judging a candidate by their photo) is case by case, and most of the time you are unlikely to know.

Cool Teacher

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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:30 am Post subject:

Glenski wrote:

Cool Teacher wrote:

But would one marital status benefit someone over another marital staturs?

Hi Glenski!

Thanks for that. Wink

I agree that sometimes this is a case by case and yes I know that what is consdiered discriminatory in the US is not always considered that in Japan but I think that the truth is that there is discrimination in Japan when asking for photso and marrige status and that is why they ask even if the employers don't think there is anything wrong with such a discrimanation.

For example, in America or in England if you show your picture and someone says, "I like the look of this person but not that person" then it would be consdiered wrong and defo descrimination but in Japan an amployer might say exactly the same thing and think it is no problem because they think that person is the image they are looking for. "Ah, she is young and beautiful and I think she would look good on posters so lets get her but he is old, fat and bald we don't want that" Wink

I think that happens. Rolling Eyes

I also rememebr a stroy that a place where I worked I nearly didn't get the job because someone intervieeing me complained to the others on the panel that I was not married so maybe I would be more likely to leave suddenly. The thing is I now work in a place where the guy who left suddenly after the Fukushima meltdown was a married guy with kids and all the single people stayed and braved the future. Mayeb this guy left because he thought he didn't want to risk his childrens health and the ones who stayed are young and not worried about radiastion. Wink

So all I am saying is that it is not always good advice to say that you must put down marraiga status and I don't know about photographs either honsetly. Confused

As it happens in my expericen it is the married with children teachers who cause the biggest problems but that's just my expericence you might think differentely.

Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:29 am Post subject:

Cool Teacher wrote:

So all I am saying is that it is not always good advice to say that you must put down marraiga status and I don't know about photographs either honsetly. Confused

You will probably eventually be asked about marital status during the interview, and people need to know that is not discriminatory in Japan to ask. So, if someone cries "foul" during the interview, that might be enough for an employer to pass them over. Readers should keep this in mind.

As for pictures, yes, the potential exists for discrimination based on race or appearance. You can't avoid it, and employers will eventually ask for the pictures anyway. Many times they get used in company advertising or in the visa processing steps (mandatory). Once again, I am saying that people should not get bent out of shape and cry "discrimination" if that happens.

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As it happens in my expericen it is the married with children teachers who cause the biggest problems but that's just my expericence you might think differentely.

Yes, I do. Same with my coworker who was VP of an eikaiwa for 25 years.

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