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HerbDoc



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:38 pm    Post subject: Work and Study in Asia? Reply with quote

I'm interested in getting a degree in Asia while teaching English. I'm American. I don't have an accredited degree right now, but I'm willing to finish an Associate degree + TEFL before leaving. As far as I know, that would make my options China and Taiwan. The reason for the degree is so I can teach anywhere in Asia. However, I've read that in Korea the degree must be from one of seven major English speaking countries. If I studied in Asia at the campus of a school based in one of these English speaking countries, would that let me teach in Korea?

If so, are there any campuses like this in China or Taiwan? I saw that someone on this message board finished his degree while teaching in Taiwan, but the name of school was not mentioned. As for China, it seems going to school "full time" is "typically" not allowed on a work visa according to the U.S. State department. The quoted parts make me continue to wonder if it's possible. I don't want to be full time. As you can see, I haven't found clear answers to my questions. I'd appreciate any information you can pass along.
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Asurai



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To quality for most teaching jobs you need a 4 years Bachelor depending where you are from; except Quebec in Canada where we have 3 years degree (but we have technically have a "grade 13").

Not having a bachelor is a very big drawback for teaching or any jobs overseas for that matter and while you may find jobs its at your risk and perils (often illegal).

as for Getting a degree in China, the poster most likely did it online from an accredited University in US,Canada or UK that have online degree.I personally do not recommend online degree as a lot of them are worthless, not accredited etc

A lot of people on these boards did get their Master's online and had no problem(though the program choices are quite limited to certain field), but Bachelor are a rare breed.

As for getting a degree from a Chinese university or the like that is a terrible idea.Chinese degree for most case(although an argument could also be used to say all degree everywhere) is not worth the paper its written on isn't given any value at all.

in conclusion, finish your 4 years degree then the ball will be in your court.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:30 am    Post subject: Re: Work and Study in Asia? Reply with quote

HerbDoc wrote:
I'm interested in getting a degree in Asia while teaching English. I'm American. I don't have an accredited degree right now, but I'm willing to finish an Associate degree + TEFL before leaving. As far as I know, that would make my options China and Taiwan. The reason for the degree is so I can teach anywhere in Asia. However, I've read that in Korea the degree must be from one of seven major English speaking countries. If I studied in Asia at the campus of a school based in one of these English speaking countries, would that let me teach in Korea?

If so, are there any campuses like this in China or Taiwan? I saw that someone on this message board finished his degree while teaching in Taiwan, but the name of school was not mentioned. As for China, it seems going to school "full time" is "typically" not allowed on a work visa according to the U.S. State department. The quoted parts make me continue to wonder if it's possible. I don't want to be full time. As you can see, I haven't found clear answers to my questions. I'd appreciate any information you can pass along.


Not having a degree pretty much leaves off all LEGAL work in Korea, China, Taiwan, HongKong, Thailand, Vietnam and severely limits your choices in the remaining countries (where you would be competing with people who do have a degree and a TEFL).

You'd have a better chance of getting a legal teaching job in Texas or Arizona.

If (subsidized) travel to Asia is your plan then skip the 2 years to gain your associate (after all, it is only 1 more year for a basic BA), grab a TEFL, get a visa for your country of choice, buy a plane ticket and hit the pavement. Your work won't be legal (if you are caught you may be arrested, detained, fined and/or removed from the country) but there is work to be had.

I think that, because of American's perceived superiority of their own education system, an undergrad earned abroad and not in a G7 country may well be discounted as worthless when you do return home.

Additionally, many countries (Korea being a prime example)who are seeking "native speakers" also want their credentials earned in an anglophone country.

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Work and Study in Asia? Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
If (subsidized) travel to Asia is your plan then skip the 2 years to gain your associate (after all, it is only 1 more year for a basic BA)
For most Americans, it would be 2 more for a total of 4.

EDIT: Hmm, actually, according to this, it may be even longer.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/nov/24/our-universities-why-are-they-failing/?pagination=false


Last edited by Glenski on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:31 am; edited 1 time in total
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that if you studied in Asia under a US teaching scheme agreement, then it MIGHT be ok if the degree actually came from a US university. If it mentioned Asia, you might have problems.

I'm not sure.

I'm sure it would depend on each country's immigration laws as well as the mood of the immigration officer.
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Neutrino Girl



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can indeed get legal work in Taiwan with an Associate's Degree and TEFL cert (I'm not sure about China, though). I would suggest doing that and then continuing your education via distance learning from Taiwan (but through an accredited university from home, for example).

Stay away from Taiwanese and Chinese universities...their degrees are not worth the paper they are written on and will not be respected or taken seriously anywhere. They may be cheap, but they will also be a huge waste of your time.
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HerbDoc



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses. Each province in China decides whether or not to enforce the Bachelor degree law. Which isn't much of a law. From what I'm told, it is intentionally worded that English teachers "should" have a Bachelor's degree, not must. I know people teaching in China without any degree, and they have legitimate working visas. They say the demand is too high in China to enforce those requirements.

BTW, not all degrees in China are worthless. Traditional Chinese medicine degrees earned in China make one eligible for all the licensing exams(acupuncture, etc) here in California(and in many states). In America, you have to go to a 4 year TCM school in order to take these exams. But just to be clear, I'm not asking about Chinese degrees. I'm asking about degrees with a G7 label that could be earned while in China. If I decide I don't care about teaching in Korea or Japan, then maybe I'll just go for a TCM degree in China or Taiwan. But for now, I'd like to like keep all my options open.


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You can indeed get legal work in Taiwan with an Associate's Degree and TEFL cert (I'm not sure about China, though). I would suggest doing that and then continuing your education via distance learning from Taiwan (but through an accredited university from home, for example).

I'd like to talk to some people who have done this. Or, at least, some people who are teaching with only an Associate's degree and TEFL. I'd also like to hear from anyone who has worked and gone to school at the same time in China. Any help is appreciated. Thank you all.[/b]
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