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timothypfox
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 492
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: How do you spend (if you're lucky) abundant desk time? |
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If you happen to be an ALT or a teacher in a private school or university, you probably have too much desk time! More than you know what to do with...
I spend a lot of time playing Facebook Scrabble with a co-worker, and downloading movies from Youtube and burning them to DVD. I also watch entire movies on my computer as well as online shopping on Amazon.com (mostly window shopping mind you!) I hope to get back into studying Japanese, but I am out of steam doing that for the moment.
SO, how do you spend your desk time? |
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move
Joined: 30 May 2009 Posts: 132
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Good lord, no wonder Japanese teachers think the lot of us are layabouts. What do I do at my desk? Plan lessons, mark papers, look up new lesson ideas, help my JTEs with any questions they might have and occasionally study Japanese. Basically, I'm at work, so I work. Why don't you go clean the break room, or ask your manager if there's anything to help out with? I guarantee you won't get a bad reaction. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:36 am Post subject: |
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move wrote: |
Good lord, no wonder Japanese teachers think the lot of us are layabouts. What do I do at my desk? Plan lessons, mark papers, look up new lesson ideas, help my JTEs with any questions they might have and occasionally study Japanese. Basically, I'm at work, so I work. Why don't you go clean the break room, or ask your manager if there's anything to help out with? I guarantee you won't get a bad reaction. |
Though I agree with you in general. I feel as though ALTs are not actually FT employees, and shouldn't be expected to do said things. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:45 am Post subject: |
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rxk22 wrote: |
Though I agree with you in general. I feel as though ALTs are not actually FT employees, and shouldn't be expected to do said things. |
You may not be permanent, but you sure are full-time! If you were part-time, you'd be gone in just a few hours. I would encourage a rethink of such thoughts.
BTW, just what do you think you "should" be doing when not in a classroom? |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
rxk22 wrote: |
Though I agree with you in general. I feel as though ALTs are not actually FT employees, and shouldn't be expected to do said things. |
You may not be permanent, but you sure are full-time! If you were part-time, you'd be gone in just a few hours. I would encourage a rethink of such thoughts.
BTW, just what do you think you "should" be doing when not in a classroom? |
Well as pay goes, it def feels PT. Besides on my schedule entire blocks are built in as breaks.
I persoanlly have no problem with someone screwing around outside of class and planning. If they want more, pay more. 19万 a month isn't what I would call FT. As they say, you get what you pay for.
Don't look at me. I help out the cleaning lady. I helped wax the floor, and I keep the teachers office clean. I'm also going to smash up a bunch of concrete blocks, so we can throw them away. I also study Japanese a lot. TS should prolly too. I am always dissapointed when I meet ALTs who've been here 3+ years, yet can't string together a sentence in Japanese. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
rxk22 wrote: |
Though I agree with you in general. I feel as though ALTs are not actually FT employees, and shouldn't be expected to do said things. |
You may not be permanent, but you sure are full-time! If you were part-time, you'd be gone in just a few hours. I would encourage a rethink of such thoughts.
BTW, just what do you think you "should" be doing when not in a classroom? |
Technically, many dispatch ALTs are not FT. We're salaried part-timers (or as my dispatcher call us; semi full-time). That's how the companies get around the shakai hoken requirement and can get away with not counting any time between scheduled periods as work hours. Also why some of us actually get assigned free periods (i.e. we are not required to be in school) during the day and can arrive at 8.40 and be out the door at 15.30. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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seklarwia wrote: |
Glenski wrote: |
rxk22 wrote: |
Though I agree with you in general. I feel as though ALTs are not actually FT employees, and shouldn't be expected to do said things. |
You may not be permanent, but you sure are full-time! If you were part-time, you'd be gone in just a few hours. I would encourage a rethink of such thoughts.
BTW, just what do you think you "should" be doing when not in a classroom? |
Technically, many dispatch ALTs are not FT. We're salaried part-timers (or as my dispatcher call us; semi full-time). That's how the companies get around the shakai hoken requirement and can get away with not counting any time between scheduled periods as work hours. Also why some of us actually get assigned free periods (i.e. we are not required to be in school) during the day and can arrive at 8.40 and be out the door at 15.30. |
yep. Which is why it's fine for ALTs to do nothing, on the down time. I don7t pay into nenkin or any of that what not. Though I am married, so my wife does the insurance for me. When I first started, Interac really tried to sell everyone on international insurance. Which is kinda dumb, as during your first year, insurance is about 1500� or so a month.
I have to be at school from 8am to 4pm. Guess I am missing out  |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: How do you spend (if you're lucky) abundant desk time? |
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timothypfox wrote: |
SO, how do you spend your desk time? |
When I was an ALT I usually would either study Japanese or read a book (assuming my lessons were planned). I never did personal stuff on the computer (not even to check my e-mail!) and never pulled my phone out.
Sometimes, like when I would have only the first two lessons (leaving about 7 hours or free time) it just got so boring. When that happened I'd actually get sent home early.
At the university where I'm sent I go to the local mall and hang out there (10 minute walk) primarily because I don't want to be around my boss. At the other school where I work I simply leave and go home (we're hourly). |
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jillybean
Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Posts: 32 Location: JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I plan lessons, make classroom decorations, do crossword puzzles (which I count as working...have to keep the brain sharp!), help my boss/coworkers study English and make birthday or holiday cards for the students. I have a lot of desk time but I feel guilty about doing personal stuff like checking email or Facebook. But sometimes I still do...  |
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rich45
Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 127
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
BTW, just what do you think you "should" be doing when not in a classroom? |
Posting on Dave's? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, the old semi-FT thing. Well, you are physically in the school for 8 hours so everyone around you sees you as FT, as as much as some ALTs hate being in school with "nothing to do", that's the way it is. Even direct hires (ALT or otherwise) will find themselves outside of a classroom for a large part of the day. Do they waste their time just because they are not in a classroom?
Appearance to the rest of the staff is important. They don't know your situation and will assume you are hired to teach/assist, and seeing someone do unrelated things only puts a blemish on the ALT system as a whole. You can take that for what it's worth to you.
My only suggestion is to make the best use of your time if you want to be treated better by your coworkers, if nothing else.
As for a salary of 190,000 yen, that's barely subsistence wages and pretty far from what IMO it should be. I won't talk about what a responsible person would be expected to do regardless of salary, because that would only stir up bad feelings here. Everyone takes their job seriously in a different way (some not at all) despite how much they get paid.
As for employers avoiding shakai hoken with "semi-FT" status, the fact is that if you don't like it, you should try to do something about it. There are some myths out there about that situation. For example, counting classroom hours is one thing, but if you are actually required to be there for 8 hours, how do they count the out-of-class time? If it's prep, that's work, too. Consider talking to the General Union if you really care. Employers can actually offer shakai hoken even if their employees work less than 29 hours per week. The onus is on the worker to try getting it.
As for breaking up bricks and such, that's your prerogative to help out, but do you consider that as much part of the job as teaching? If not, then I don't really see how anyone could complain about offering to do such things and not reap benefits (whether higher salary or shakai hoken). Sounds more like the school getting by without having to hire someone else to do the job, thereby saving money in the deal. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
For example, counting classroom hours is one thing, but if you are actually required to be there for 8 hours, how do they count the out-of-class time? |
Since the whole Heart thing some dispatchers now only require you to be there for scheduled periods (and yes, prep work, having lunch with kids, etc, must be scheduled if it's required... although many schools ignore this and often ask ALTs to do something that cuts into there non-work time effectively forcing them to work for free). I am only required to be in school less than 5 1/2 hrs per day, but of course I tend to be in school and helping out even during free time and sometimes after school. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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rxk22 wrote: |
I help out the cleaning lady. I helped wax the floor, and I keep the teachers office clean. I'm also going to smash up a bunch of concrete blocks, so we can throw them away. |
So, are you scheduled or otherwise required to do these things? According to seklarwia, you are doing them out of the goodness of your heart, if I read things right here?
Does your employer know you do these non-teaching things? If so, what is their response? |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:32 am Post subject: |
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SO, how do you spend your desk time? |
I work.
I'm not an ALT, but an ALT coordinator who has four school days and one office day a week. I wear two hats - developing syllabus to support the ALTs under me, and serving as a model to HRTs about how to deliver the elementary school gaikokugo program.
If you pick your nose during working hours, you disrespect many Japanese employees who are also part time salaried employees. Librarians, special ed. teachers and other specialists may be on a similar contract and they work their tails off when they are at work.
By all means, study, read or prepare at your desk. But remember, people are watching and they may say nothing about your behaviour though they may find your behaviour disgusting. |
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bobbysix
Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Posts: 23
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
As for a salary of 190,000 yen, that's barely subsistence wages and pretty far from what IMO it should be. |
So how much do you think ALT should be paid? Bearing in mind that they are unqualified teaching asisstants? |
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