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[email protected]
Joined: 28 Jun 2011
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Location: Kootenays, BC
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 Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:50 pm Post subject: Business Visa |
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Harsh. Some of you have been on this site too long.
My China nighmare continues with you folks kicking me while I'm down.
Fill your boots, I can take it.
The recruitment agency told me that they would get me a business visa because:
I'm over 60 yrs.
No university degree
no teaching experience
I believed them and because the Chinese do things in a dodgetly way I accepted it. Yup its a learning lesson for sure. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Posts: 4946
Location: Blabbing
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| I am one of the few who will not blame the victims. Sorry for your problems and good luck. |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
Posts: 1151
Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Let this be a lesson to everyone else who is thinking about coming over here totally unqualified and ignorant and on the wrong visa.
OP-- You should leave, now. You have no right to be here teaching when you are without a degree and have no teaching experience. On top of that you are over 60. You chanced it and got caught with your pants down. Sticking around in this condition is the equivalent of grabbing your ankles. I think it's time to run instead.
If you stay, don't be blaming others for being too harsh or lacking sympathy. Many of us have taken the time to put strongly worded warnings and responses out there to make it clear what you are getting yourself into in your position. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
Posts: 5782
Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| I am one of the few who will not blame the victims. Sorry for your problems and good luck. |
That sounds foolish. When you work without qualifications and the proper documentation (knowingly or unknowingly) you're not a victim, you're part of the problem. If more people in China, employers and current/potential teachers, recognized this life would be much easier for all of us. |
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jaydizzle
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
Posts: 57
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Business Visa |
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Harsh. Some of you have been on this site too long.
My China nighmare continues with you folks kicking me while I'm down.
Fill your boots, I can take it.
The recruitment agency told me that they would get me a business visa because:
I'm over 60 yrs.
No university degree
no teaching experience
I believed them and because the Chinese do things in a dodgetly way I accepted it. Yup its a learning lesson for sure. |
I haven't been on this site long at all.
I'm sorry that you find it harsh to be justly and correctly criticized for working here illegally. I'm sure if you were back in the USA, you'd be whining about illegal Mexicans too. That's pretty much what you are here.
You come here whining and moaning about the Chinese not honoring their "contract" with you... boo frickin' hoo. What do you expect when you completely failed to do what you're obligated to do too? Karma sucks. What do you want, sympathy? Do you expect us to tell you where there's another job where you can cheat the system and undercut other people who are trying to be honest in their dealings here?
You tried to take a back door into the country, even though you have no qualifications and no experience, and you're getting what you deserve. If your school is screwing you, it's because you bent over and lubed up, brother. |
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time to teach
Joined: 03 Feb 2011
Posts: 73
Location: Bangkok
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I've been teaching EFL since 2002, been in China for nearly five years. I've taught here on Z visas and F visas, and I've taught on L visas while waiting for Z and F visas, including an L to F at the top university in Xiamen.
The laws of expat employment in China are not ours to interpretation or enforce, and any foreigner who thinks it�s his or her place to do so, and thinks they are entitled to distinguish and determine who should and shouldn't be working in China based on what they think is right and with very little information offered and available here, is a fool.
I'm on an F visa now, my employer knows it, and I'm planning to get a new F visa in March 2012. My salary is tax free, and I'm averaging 22K a month teaching around 130 classes. I'm not responsible for the actions of my Chinese employer. If they're breaking the laws of their country, that's not my concern or problem.
That's my experience, what I'm doing in China right now, which is what I think more posters should do � share more of their experiences rather than their slanted, ill-informed, overopinionated judgments. |
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jaydizzle
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
Posts: 57
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| time to teach wrote: |
I've been teaching EFL since 2002, been in China for nearly five years. I've taught here on Z visas and F visas, and I've taught on L visas while waiting for Z and F visas, including an L to F at the top university in Xiamen.
The laws of expat employment in China are not ours to interpretation or enforce, and any foreigner who thinks it�s his or her place to do so, and thinks they are entitled to distinguish and determine who should and shouldn't be working in China based on what they think is right and with very little information offered and available here, is a fool.
I'm on an F visa now, my employer knows it, and I'm planning to get a new F visa in March 2012. My salary is tax free, and I'm averaging 22K a month teaching around 130 classes. I'm not responsible for the actions of my Chinese employer. If they're breaking the laws of their country, that's not my concern or problem.
That's my experience, what I'm doing in China right now, which is what I think more posters should do � share more of their experiences rather than their slanted, ill-informed, overopinionated judgments. |
It's not just your employer that's breaking the law. You're breaking it too.
Of course you don't HAVE to follow the law. But then you don't get to come here and whine when your employer (whom you knew was breaking the law) screws you over. I believe you knew that was a snake when you picked it up, so you don't get to complain about it biting you. |
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mike w
Joined: 26 May 2004
Posts: 1071
Location: Beijing building site
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| I'm on an F visa now, my employer knows it, and I'm planning to get a new F visa in March 2012. My salary is tax free, and I'm averaging 22K a month teaching around 130 classes. I'm not responsible for the actions of my Chinese employer. If they're breaking the laws of their country, that's not my concern or problem. |
Don't want to be a party-pooper here, but ...................
Way off line! Working on the wrong visa is YOUR responsibility - check with the exit/entry bureau of the PSB - that's what they will tell you. They will tell you that if you choose to work on the wrong visa, only you are to blame.
RMB22k a month - paying tax is YOUR responsibility - check with the tax office - that's what they will tell you. (But, on an F visa, you wouldn't pay tax because you are not registered with the tax authorities. One of the 'perks' of the Z visa /RP is that the employer has a LEGAL responsibility to register you with the tax authorities). But I would suspect that this would be overlooked by the tax people since the 'self-assessment' for tax was brought in a couple of years ago, and they would want you to pay.
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| That's my experience, what I'm doing in China right now, which is what I think more posters should do � share more of their experiences rather than their slanted, ill-informed, overopinionated judgments. |
Fair comment (but I'm not sure who is overopinionated here - from the tone of your post, maybe it could be yourself). So if it's down to experience, then my 17 years living, working, and teaching in China tell me that all too often foreigners come to China to work, seemingly ignorant of what the visa requirements actually are. Some will go by what the school or recruiter tells them, only to find out later that they have been lied to. During my time here I have also seen that when any form of dispute between foreigner and Chinese authority takes place, then the Chinese authority will win. Suddenly the "law" will be applied in favour of the Chinese authority.
Based on these facts, there is nothing wrong, as I see it, in pointing out to people just what the law actually is. Albeit the law requires the caveat that the interpretation and application of the law will vary enormously from province to province, city to city. It can also change from police station to police station. |
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