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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 1473 Location: asia
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:00 am Post subject: Justifying Test Results |
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Reasoning behind the scores of our students' tests may be difficult and perhaps even subjective. In writing, it could not only create much more work for the teacher but also a lot of questions for the students, supervisors, school leaders, parents and even lawyers. My observation is that focusing on all the areas of the students' writing and the requirement for corrections of everything opens the doors to wide.
In my class, i provide plenty of correction codes when i focus on some specific areas of writing. That comes with my students' homework assignments prior to the written exams. Such corrections provide my students with feedback and the necessary improvement in certain areas. My professional view, however, is that such correction codes aren't to be included in official written exams.
How do you carry out your written exams where essays are marked? How should FTs formally administer final written exams? Should they use correction codes, and/or explanations to the final test scores?
Any response will be appreciated |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 3154
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Provide criteria for the mark to both the students and parents well before the actual exam. Everybody knows what is expected and can't get upset at you if they fall short. |
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w.melon56
Joined: 11 Aug 2011 Posts: 31
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I have documents (scoring sheets) that have clearly defined criteria. I have these for speaking, writing, etc. There is little to no confusion in what this or that is. From tense mismatch, to misspellings, to length of pauses in speaking, internationally defined expected vocabulary level, etc. I provide these to students and use it for actual testing. It is clear what score I select based on MULTIPLE criteria. Make your own or request to borrow from others and you can thus have your own defined scoring system. It's that simple. |
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Baozi man
Joined: 06 Sep 2011 Posts: 214
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Uh, duh, how about spelling, punctuation, and grammar? |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 1473 Location: asia
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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The criteria, that we have, is a bit ambiguous, although it provides a fair guide to all. My students have got all that, and i have suggested it is used to reason with parents as well. However, the powers insist i expand on the marks with individual comments, which i am unwilling to do.
Yes, spelling, punctuation, grammar, wrong use of words, poor paragraphing, difficult to identify main ideas or supporting details to them, ridiculous introductions/conclusions, and so on and on. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Baozi man
Joined: 06 Sep 2011 Posts: 214
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Igor, Grading writing samples, unless you stick to spelling, vocabulary, grammar, and punctuation is something you should not allow yourself to be drawn into.
I recently reviewed some writing samples after a student complained about a low score. I compared his sample to several others. He received 10/25. I saw papers worse than his which had received 18/25, 15/25, and so forth.
The hundreds of papers are corrected by the entire department of about 10 teachers. Do you think they scrutinize each paper?
Writing courses should count for at least 1.5 teaching hour credits for every classroom hour. Writing courses require too much out of class time to be creditied the same as other classes.
Furthermore, Chinese students are taught to write in a manner which, from the perspective of someone who actually knows how to write, is wrong.
Stick with objective criteria to avoid problems. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 3154
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:07 am Post subject: |
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igorG wrote: |
The criteria, that we have, is a bit ambiguous, although it provides a fair guide to all. My students have got all that, and i have suggested it is used to reason with parents as well. However, the powers insist i expand on the marks with individual comments, which i am unwilling to do.
Yes, spelling, punctuation, grammar, wrong use of words, poor paragraphing, difficult to identify main ideas or supporting details to them, ridiculous introductions/conclusions, and so on and on. |
If you don't individually comment on each paper how is one to understand the mark you give? Where I work we do second mark and have external examiners. Making comments is good for everyone. You might not remember the text, looking at your comments can remind you why you gave the mark.
Structure, clarity and relevance of ideas, and evidence are all as valuable as English ability. Often I get complaints from students that have good English. They don't understand why they fail. Having good English makes them feel like they will pass everything. When it is explained more clearly in my comments, and at times in a meeting with the student, they walk away knowing their English ability is not enough. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 1473 Location: asia
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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wangdaning
If you don't individually comment on each paper how is one to understand the mark you give? Where I work we do second mark and have external examiners. Making comments is good for everyone. You might not remember the text, looking at your comments can remind you why you gave the mark. |
As it has been mentioned on, the criteria is available to all. Moreover, i have suggested to my superiors to have it translated for all. Where i work we have moderators, although they are our superiors that are locals with inferior use of the language. They usually are concerned about alternative aspects of the exams rather than the academic results.
With regards to making comments that are helpful for every student, I agree that any feedback may well serve. I have to say; however, that, prior to exams, i mark so many homework assignments with my detailed comments. In my professional opinion, when it comes to an exam, i do not serve as a teacher but examiner. Therefore, any instruction to why is overdue. The guidance (criteria) for what is expected is on the table with the exam.
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wangdaning
Structure, clarity and relevance of ideas, and evidence are all as valuable as English ability. Often I get complaints from students that have good English. They don't understand why they fail. Having good English makes them feel like they will pass everything. When it is explained more clearly in my comments, and at times in a meeting with the student, they walk away knowing their English ability is not enough. |
Again, i agree that students need to know why they fail. However, why "having good English makes them feel like they will pass? It seems they don't undestand the criteria, the prep for exams, or expectations of them. My take is that students are used to higher scores in their Chinese classrooms, and when the bar is higher in our classes, they are in low spirits. I believe it is essential to explain how high the bar is and what the expectations of them are. Using the official tests results for detailed reasoning at a personal meeting isn't such a bad idea, although that may take quite a bit of time and effort. My observation is that most of the reasoning may come with the weaker students, who have either not got what it takes to pass or have not listened and followed accordingly in the classes prior to the exams.
Having said that above, it may be a good idea to follow up with special classes ones the exams aren't successful, although in my program it is not feasible due to the structure and scheduling.
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Baozi man:
Igor, Grading writing samples, unless you stick to spelling, vocabulary, grammar, and punctuation is something you should not allow yourself to be drawn into.
I recently reviewed some writing samples after a student complained about a low score. I compared his sample to several others. He received 10/25. I saw papers worse than his which had received 18/25, 15/25, and so forth.
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There are a few concerns that i have and this is one of them. My students' exams results may get moderated by local academics, which usually happens at a later stage. I can't imagine all the comments and corrections in the official exams, that are copied for students and their parents, to be later revised, compared or further debated by people who don't know enough about the language or subject.
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Baozi man
Chinese students are taught to write in a manner which, from the perspective of someone who actually knows how to write, is wrong. |
I quite agree with that, although there seem to be students that understand the concept of introduction, main body, conclusion and paragraphing with main ideas and supporting details, which they learn in the subject of Chinese. So, generalizing on this one, may not be as easy anymore. What is more worrying, and perhaps easier to generalize on, is what nonsensical ideas and supporting sentences so many students choose in their paragraphs. Moreover, the abuse of some words, phrases or quotations, which they stubbornly insist on using despite my directions, is unprecedented. To my knowledge, this issue is related to the way locals communicate, the way they use their language. So, their perspective substantially differs from the one of a FT/examiner. How to explain that they are wrong may be a mission impossible. |
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