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rxk22

Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:17 am Post subject:

G Cthulhu wrote:

rxk22 wrote:

Would if I could, but there aren't too many jobs out there right this sec.

So you did something that can get you fired and held criminally liable?!

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Assaulted yes, I shouldn't have to do that. But it is the only way to keep the kid from assaulting the other kids.

No, it isn't. All you're doing here is demonstrating that you don't know much about teaching.

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I am all for rough housing, but this kid is a psycho, and his intent is to hurt others. He soccer kicked a girl, who was sitting on the floor, during a game. He elbowed another kid in the head. Threw something in another kid's eye.

And if you knew much about Japan and Japanese school groups, you'd know that come PE time or after school, he's going to get the living crap kicked out of him by a group of other kids. If the kids don't do it then the PE teachers will make his life hell for them. Again, this is all basic interaction and group dynamic stuff that if you knew what you were doing in a Japanese context you would understand and work within.

As opposed to assaulting minors.

As someone else said, shouting at students is simply facile. granted, it satisfying at times Smile

but it doesn't achieve any medium or long term benefits.

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I don't like the way they all turn a blind eye to outright violence, if I had the power, I wouldn't let him in the classroom.

And others have said, that's the point: you *don't* have the power. You are not licensed, you are not qualified, and you aren't even capable of working within the dynamic to get the problem solved. But hey, you sure did show him that being bigger and stronger lets you beat up the smaller people! Way to go, champ!

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The ES class is pretty bad, but most of the kids I can get them to either be quiet, or somehow participate. It is the one kid, who is borderline criminal, that I worry about.

Yeah, because elementary children are so difficult to manage. Rolling Eyes

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And come on, dispatch companies don't do anything. you think they would actually stand up and do something for you? You're nuts.

It's not their job to do anything. Unlike you, they know that. They also know not to try and defend the indefensible.

Personally, I'm surprised you still have a job. You shouldn't.

Honestly, I don't think you have dealt with situations like mine. Consider all your points ignored. As you seriously talk down to the point, where you seem to want to start arguments.

G Cthulhu

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:20 am Post subject:

rxk22 wrote:

Honestly, I don't think you have dealt with situations like mine. Consider all your points ignored. As you seriously talk down to the point, where you seem to want to start arguments.

Let me make sure I understand you: you have no experience teaching and you assume that I have no experience of situations like yours (without offering any basis for assuming that) and use *that* as a reason to simply ignore the points made?

Not that I think it's relevant to the points made, but I can assure you I have a very real understanding of the situation, and considerably beyond 10 year olds kicking each other. Rolling Eyes

There's a very solid reason I have no respect for your claimed actions. Confused

Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:10 am Post subject:

rxk22 wrote:

Honestly, I don't think you have dealt with situations like mine. Consider all your points ignored.

"I don't think" means you aren't sure. Be careful about that. He isn't the only one who has told you your actions are not correct. Do you want to say the same thing to them, too?

As for ignoring all his points, that is just plain foolish. You assault students, then claim there is no other way to control them. You lay hands on students, yet you are not even their full-time solo teacher hired by that school.

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I don't like the way they all turn a blind eye to outright violence

I don't think anyone here disagrees with that. However, you then wrote...

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if I had the power, I wouldn't let him in the classroom.

Think about the words here. "If". Well, you don't have the power, and that's for a very obvious reason that you seem to be ignoring.

rxk22

Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:25 am Post subject:

Glenski wrote:

rxk22 wrote:

Honestly, I don't think you have dealt with situations like mine. Consider all your points ignored.

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I don't like the way they all turn a blind eye to outright violence

I don't think anyone here disagrees with that. However, you then wrote...

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if I had the power, I wouldn't let him in the classroom.

Think about the words here. "If". Well, you don't have the power, and that's for a very obvious reason that you seem to be ignoring.

If wishes were fishes.........I said IF, which means if I had the say so, which of course I don't. Not sure why you are jumping on that. If I had the power, I would discipline a lot of my kids, but I can't so I don't. Not sure why you have such a major problem with that.

You were judging me form a situation that you don't know, yet in return it's bad when I do it? Others did support me as well. So let's not get into the popular argument.

Or, I guess as was said, leaving it up to the classmates as 'he's going to get the living crap kicked out of him by a group of other kids', it's ok, since they are Japanese, right? Or 'If the kids don't do it then the PE teachers will make his life hell for them.' is ok, since he has a teaching license.

My big beef with being an ALT, is seeing so much abject apathy towards everything, as a reason to not get involved/do anything.

If you didn't go read my quick post about a kid almost blinding another kid. I wasn't in the class when it happened, but I would have to say that is probably more serious than what most here have dealt with.

rxk22

Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:27 am Post subject:

G Cthulhu wrote:

rxk22 wrote:

Honestly, I don't think you have dealt with situations like mine. Consider all your points ignored. As you seriously talk down to the point, where you seem to want to start arguments.

There's a very solid reason I have no respect for your claimed actions. Confused

Obviously you didn't read the reason why I did what I did. Consider yourself ignored.

G Cthulhu

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject:

rxk22 wrote:

Or, I guess as was said, leaving it up to the classmates as 'he's going to get the living crap kicked out of him by a group of other kids', it's ok, since they are Japanese, right? Or 'If the kids don't do it then the PE teachers will make his life hell for them.' is ok, since he has a teaching license.

Both comments made in the context of your statement that nothing is ever done. Important point, and probably not delineated clearly enough.

G Cthulhu

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Posts: 1373
Location: Way, way off course.

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject:

rxk22 wrote:

Obviously you didn't read the reason why I did what I did. Consider yourself ignored.

Except anyone who is reading the thread can see plainly that I very much *did* consider the reasons you gave. It was, in fact, the entire basis of the post that you first claimed you were going to ignore.

If you can't defend your actions and now realize they were (on yr description) wrong that's ok: that's what learning is about. Smile

Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject:

rxk22 wrote:

Because you seem to realize this lack of power (and even said you were ok with it in one of your first posts):

Yeah, I usually let the screwing around kids to do their thing. As it eats up all my time to force them to do anything. Not really my problem.

...yet you still physically abuse little elementary school children by putting them in headlocks for half the class period.

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You were judging me form a situation that you don't know, yet in return it's bad when I do it?

If there is something I don't know, it's your fault for not explaining it clearly or completely enough. That's why I hesitated to say anything about the situation you briefly described about the blinding incident (and I'm glad I did).

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Obviously, you still don't get it (your role in the classroom and the legal ramifications). It's not "abject apathy". It's the law. Since you can't understand that, I'll just make you happy by saying I won't post here any longer and hope that you never ever teach in my own child's classroom.

rxk22

Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1629

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:50 am Post subject:

Glenski wrote:

rxk22 wrote:

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You were judging me form a situation that you don't know, yet in return it's bad when I do it?

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I think that as an adult, not ensuring that the kids in the same class as me are safe, is unthinkable. To argue about legality, and licensing, when they clearly aren't helping, is imho cowardly.

I hope your child is never in a situation where their well being is in jeopardy, and the person in change is only thinking about looking after their own butt.

Mr. Kalgukshi
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:07 am Post subject:

Some inappropriate postings have been deleted. If your goal in life is to come here and bash this board and its members, you will no longer be a member of this board. Es verdad.

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