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[Sashadroogie]

Most of my colleagues involved in IELTS are Russian born and raised. They do not see things in a different light. They receive the same training and apply the same criteria as any one. They would be just as surprised by some of the comments voiced on this thread.

[igorG]

Denying is often helpful and feeling surprised brings a bit of the melodrama.

As for the comparison of the proficiency tests, IELTS bands offer narrower range than TOEFL, and so they are less accurate. For the academic purpose examinees, the speaking part, for the academic is disappointing in both, although the reading part in TOEFL outweighs greatly the IELTS one.

[Sashadroogie]

[JayCee86]

[igorG]

[Sashadroogie]

Your professional opinion flies in the face of every professional testing body there is. Why should one numerical score be more 'accurate' than another? (At least this is what I think you are trying to say - I'm not sure given the difficulties I and others are having with the lack of clarity in your posts. Have you ever taken an IELTS test yourself?)

[igorG]

[igorG]

[igorG]

[Sashadroogie]

IgorG, there is no disrespect shown there. Your writing is very unclear and would probably score very poorly in an IELTS test, and a TOEFL one too for that matter. Coherence and cohesion especially. There are plenty of non-native users of English on this forum, and not many of them would be shown any disrespect for it. However, I don't know any who persist in criticising English language tests when their own grasp of written English makes it hard for others to follow what they are trying to say.

From what I can interpret from your comments about IELTS, you just don't have enough basic facts to make any informed judgments. Sorry fella.

[dean_a_jones]

IgorG - How on earth do you jump to that conclusion? He is simply stating that your ideas contradict what he calls 'professional opinion', which perhaps he could direct you to if need be.

He then asks about your experience with the test (i.e. did you take one) and admits your posts are sometimes hard to follow, which is more than a bit true.

I think the fact that your final line of defense comes down to suggesting someone is saying something disrespectful pretty much says it all in terms of the validity of the overall line of argument in your often Kafkaesque posts.

I think the dialogue from those willing to keep going has been nothing other than fair and respectful.

Edit: Also, it does seem to me that you clearly do not seem to understand the IELTS criteria, and seem to simply be trading in conspiracy theories of your own making. While I think there are some differences between the TOEFL and IELTS, and I have heard some say that the TOEFL as a whole is viewed as more academically rigorous due to the way the test overlaps, that is not really the point. Your constant suggestion that the format is corrupt just doesn't add up. The fact that you add little weight or proof of this and engage in speculation and possibility doesn't really cut it.

[igorG]

[igorG]

[igorG]

[dean_a_jones]

Added to my previous post what I can only describe as the same thing others have more or less been saying . The reason I didn't add anything in the first place is that it has already been said any number of times. I commented on your post as that seemed appropriate given that is the general direction of the thread.

Won't bother inquiring as to what your post, directly commenting only on my post and not the content of the thread, means in terms of its own content. A bit too postmodern for me, I suppose.