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steve b · Joined: 31 May 2011 Posts: 293 Location: China

Clearer??? I am utterly lost!!!!!

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:40 am Post subject:

I think I am a little lost too. The topic seems to be too slippery a theme to get a good grasp of. I thought it had been addressed in a concise, clear manner by the other posters, but is seems not. Perhaps I am wrong. Impenetrably incoherent posts do not help. I had thought it was about some conflict of interest between teachers' schools and test centres. But now that that claim was more or less successfully refuted, the topic now appears to be about some fundamental flaw in IELTS per se. It is easy to get lost...

To clarify matters, how about some actual evidence please? Convoluted talk about 'reasoning', 'proofs' and 'experiences' is all very well, but I cannot see comments informed by much of these, sorry IgorG. Broad, wholly subjective statements about IELTS or TOEFL are not the same thing at all. For example, IELTS Reading lacks 'some appropriately academic concept'? Who really says or believes this? You? Why? On what basis do you make such a claim? What does such a claim even mean? Please justify your comments, especially as they are far, far away from accepted opinion. That is to say the opinion of almost everyone who is seriously involved in testing.

Why such animus towards a standardised test?

igorG · Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 1473 Location: asia

Yes, perhaps towards the ones with reasoning, and facts about the BC's practices on mainland China. Don't muddle the tests vs the ones who are responsible for them! So much for clarifying above.

Guerciotti · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject:

Reading this topic is like watching a horrendous train wreck with observers strenuously advising a conductor blissfully unaware of the fact that he is driving the train, much less headed for disaster.

steve b · Joined: 31 May 2011 Posts: 293 Location: China

I am trying to work out what language I am fluent in because it certainly isn't the one being used here.

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

Who on the thread are qualified IELTS examiners, pray tell?
I'd assume that these are the ones to pay attention to.

mike w · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject:

Hieroglyphics are easier to follow and understand.

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject:

I'm a qualled up IELTS examiner, but I wouldn't listen to me either : ) I don't think I one of the ones with reasoning...

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

But what are the proofs from your experiences, Sasha??!!

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject:

My reasonings are not to be muddled with derailing judegments. you say proofs yet i am saying that analysing the topic is not the poster. See if I am wrong aside from the things! It is well known to be IELTS, as are all other non-TOEFL experienced ones.