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steve b
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Mr Lee
It would be helpful considering you use "you" and "your" in your post indicating it is in reply to a member, if you could indicate who it is please? |
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jayjjasper
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Just as a general rule ... a rat is a rat... |
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peewee1979
Joined: 30 Jun 2011
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Location: Once in China was enough. Burned and robbed by Delter and watching others get cheated was enough.
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| mrwslee003 wrote: |
I think many of you got too sensitive and got the wrong perspective on this Ft who is advising the AO's (administrative officers) what he thinks of what is going on in the school: This Ft was hired to do a job, I think because this Ft have many years of teaching experience and the AO's want to know what his input would be to improve their school.
And being an AO with an open mind he loves to hear what he can do to improve his school. Nothing wrong with that at all. He might just said or request this Ft do whatever he has to do so that the AO would have the Ft's perspective on the school. So the Ft is doing what he is expected to do. Mind you the paranoic teachers think this Ft is ratting on them. If that were so then those teachers would have heard from their Bosses already, right? But none have and no consequences yet because that was not the objective of this Ft.
So chill it, paranoid teachers. Just go on and do what you normally do and let the Ft report whatever he sees. Unless of course in your normal day you are doing illegal things and unprofessional things.
There is a saying in Chinese "jin jin bu pa huo! Real gold does not fear fire!". So teachers, ct or ft, are you real gold or not?
Just be cool and enjoy your job and don't let others determine how you feel about your job. Because you have a strong feeling about your job and nothing someone else does will change your mind. |
You are so wrong here. Good try but your train is not even on the right track - forget about your sense of direction.
At present not one teacher talks to him, all the students shun him, and the school admin tries to minimize their dealings with him and sincerely hopes he doesn't return after the break. He has no roots here and actually lives in a hotel since the summer. |
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Miles Smiles
Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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Location: Heebee Jeebee
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peewee1979, if you think that something's not kosher, it probably isn't.
I've had the same experience twice at two different schools. The first time, the FAO told me that the guy was just entertainment.
The second time, I was in denial that someone could be so rotten. By the time I could begin damage control, the twenty-eight year-old waiban had already made up her mind and was hell-bent on getting rid of me, despite the fact that I was told by CT faculty and the dean of the FL department that I was the best teacher they had hired in many years.
No matter where you work, you have to watch your back.
I always wonder about people who want to know more before giving advice. |
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Shizzngiggles
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject: not quite |
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| mrwslee003 wrote: |
What I am saying is "fear" is unfounded. If all of the teachers are doing a decent job and your perceived trouble maker is giving you trouble means nothing unless your boss is reacting to his "ratting". Which seems to be unfounded as well. Because there is simply no "reaction" from your boss or bosses to you or any one of the teachers.
The rest of the teachers seem to be "psyched out" for reasons you stated but unfounded, no proof. I just feel these teachers are lacking in self confidence, self esteem, and self worth. Which leads me to question the
caliber of professionals they are.
Any tree that topples by a breeze does not deserve to stand. |
I'm a great teacher. I know what I'm doing, love my students, and the administration consistently compliments my ability. Keep that in mind when I say that I would hate another teacher constantly watching me. It's a matter of respect and professional courtesy.
You better rethink your argument if you intend to call some one like me lacking in self confidence, self esteem, and self worth.
My boss could sit in my class everyday with every parent and it wouldn't change my amazing teaching style one bit, but I definitely don't want them there. It would add unconscious stress to any profession. That ratting teacher is effectively doing the same thing. The worst part is not knowing how he words the tales or whether or not he is sprinkling in lies to get more attention.
I am a brilliant teacher who loves the job and my students but I still make mistakes because I am human. Keep that in mind the next time you feel questioning someones self confidence, self esteem, and self worth. |
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Opiate
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Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: not quite |
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| Shizzngiggles wrote: |
| mrwslee003 wrote: |
What I am saying is "fear" is unfounded. If all of the teachers are doing a decent job and your perceived trouble maker is giving you trouble means nothing unless your boss is reacting to his "ratting". Which seems to be unfounded as well. Because there is simply no "reaction" from your boss or bosses to you or any one of the teachers.
The rest of the teachers seem to be "psyched out" for reasons you stated but unfounded, no proof. I just feel these teachers are lacking in self confidence, self esteem, and self worth. Which leads me to question the
caliber of professionals they are.
Any tree that topples by a breeze does not deserve to stand. |
I'm a great teacher. I know what I'm doing, love my students, and the administration consistently compliments my ability. Keep that in mind when I say that I would hate another teacher constantly watching me. It's a matter of respect and professional courtesy.
You better rethink your argument if you intend to call some one like me lacking in self confidence, self esteem, and self worth.
My boss could sit in my class everyday with every parent and it wouldn't change my amazing teaching style one bit, but I definitely don't want them there. It would add unconscious stress to any profession. That ratting teacher is effectively doing the same thing. The worst part is not knowing how he words the tales or whether or not he is sprinkling in lies to get more attention.
I am a brilliant teacher who loves the job and my students but I still make mistakes because I am human. Keep that in mind the next time you feel questioning someones self confidence, self esteem, and self worth. |
Modesty, I like it. |
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steve b
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Still a valid point though. |
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mrwslee003
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If all of you are such "great " teachers then why the "fear" of such a "scum"?
If the admin is not talking to him and the students are ignoring him then why are the teachers get all worked up about this "insignificant" individual?
You say you are great teachers, full of confidence and self respect, but not confident enough and GREAT enough to negate the little "sh't" disturber out of your confident and great minds.
Yep, if you keep talking long enough like that, someone will believe you.
I think I smell fish.  |
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mrwslee003
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My mistake was taking this as a serious discussion. Sorry.
Now I think its from some lonely heart looking for attention.
Get some help bud and good luck. |
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steve b
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I think it ceased being a serious discussion when a certain poster chipped in. Not all contributors have professed to being superb teachers (although I am sure the majority give their all) and nobody has said they are living in fear - the OP simply happens to be concerned and sought advice. Some have kindly offered advice, one persists in publishing irrelevances and being as unhelpful as humanly possible.
I smell fish as well - from a different corner. |
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dean_a_jones
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| mrwslee003 wrote: |
If all of you are such "great " teachers then why the "fear" of such a "scum"?
If the admin is not talking to him and the students are ignoring him then why are the teachers get all worked up about this "insignificant" individual?
You say you are great teachers, full of confidence and self respect, but not confident enough and GREAT enough to negate the little "sh't" disturber out of your confident and great minds.
Yep, if you keep talking long enough like that, someone will believe you.
I think I smell fish. |
This is pretty vacuous. Why is someone in the workplace (any workplace, anywhere) who is doing this kind of stuff a problem, regardless if they are taken seriously by others, including those in charge?
I think it explains itself to anyone who isn't just trying to stir stuff up. |
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Baozi man
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Mr Lee and Melon are Chinese interlopers, are they not? Why not ignore them and hope they will make it back to the local KTV. Engaging them, as if they have relevant contributions to make, is tantamount to feeding trolls; therefore, it should be discouraged.
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steve b
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| You could equally say that about anyone whose opinion you disagree with, ergo your post is effectively suggesting everyone refrains from debate - is it not? |
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kev7161
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No, I agree with Baozi Man. There is "debate" where one can civilly offer up their opinions and viewpoints, regardless of what side of the argument they fall. They can concede various points and politely stand firm on others. They can acknowledge that, although ideas may differ, it doesn't make one or the other less compelling.
Once you start name-calling, dismissing out of hand what another party has to say or offer, and getting a superiority complex (I'm right and you're wrong, end of story), then the word "debate" has effectively been thrown out the window. |
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Cyberkada
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Location: Xi'an, China
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There are a few here that are earning their pay from the Chinese government for sure.
to writ:
* the FT is always wrong, no matter what and the Chinese school/ government/ employer is always right.
* add little to the discussion, except snarky remarks
* well the (fill-in-the-blank) is far worse than China
it doesn't take a genius to figure out who they are... |
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