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scjw



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:35 am    Post subject: Female ME newbie Reply with quote

After reading a majority of the KSA forum posts my first thought is whose teaching English in Saudi? As rapper Nelly said �most be the money�. Tax free salary and free accommodations are what piqued my interests to teach in KSA and brought me to this forum.

So have any members worked or heard of reputable, professional, trustworthy etc. recruiters or institutions in Saudi you can contact directly for an English language instructor position? PM me if you don�t want to comment openly (I read in another post the moderator will edit names and so on). I think I have enough ESLcafe street cred I can PM others.

Here is what you need to know about me: I am a female, single, over 27 years-old, TEFL certificate (on-line), I hold a Bachelor�s and Master�s degrees (not in English, Linguistics or Education), and one year of international ESL classroom experience. Any recommendations or stay out of ME? Confused
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strangerthanparadise



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

most reputable employers - if there are any, some would immediately say - don't hire people with an online qualification and certainly not in combination with unrelated degrees. you'll have more luck in china or korea...
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BretHarte



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'll hire you. The qualifications for teaching in Saudi are simple jinn dreams. If you want a decent life, try one of the surrounding countries. They pay the same as many jobs here. If you get an Aramco job, you'll make good money.
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strangerthanparadise



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aramco doesn't hire teachers with an online qualification
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BretHarte



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Aramco suggestion was because she has a Masters. I didn't think she'd be teaching English.
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strangerthanparadise



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, if i'd have a masters in, let's say psychology or zoology, i can work at aramco? any masters will do? great to know.
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BretHarte



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once Aramco opens a zoo, I'm sure they'd love to have you. I just mean to say, you have other options than teaching English.
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strangerthanparadise



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the lady wants to teach english, and thank you for the suggestion, i love zoos.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Employers in the Gulf do not recognize online Certs. As someone said, with your online Cert, unrelated degrees, and only one year of experience, there are no decent jobs for you in the Gulf. You may be able to find someone who would hire you, but it would be a disreputable bottom feeder job with crappy conditions. And as a single woman, you absolutely do NOT want to be in Saudi Arabia under these conditions. The other Gulf countries are easier to escape from if the job sucks... but I'd take the advice to consider other areas of the planet.

VS
(BTW... forget ARAMCO... they hire very few women and those that they do are for very specific jobs with specific credentials)
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scjw



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand two things: #1. TEFL Online Certs are rubbish in ME; therefore, I won't find a reputable employer/recruiter.
#2. I may be able to find a teaching job b/c of my Master's Degree. However, I probably won't find a reputable employer b/c I don't have enough teaching experience.

KSA money doesn't seem worth the stress particularly if your a woman (If I were a boy ~Beyonce).
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just one clarification... it wouldn't be your MA that would get you hired, it would be merely because you applied, are breathing, and appear to be willing to show up and probably work without a legal work visa (aka a business visa).

You are right that it isn't worth it. Sad

VS
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really?! There is a woman I kniow who worked in the middle east and has been recruiting other women to come. There seems to be some sort of shortage and it seems its easier to get a job if you're a woman.
Anyway, two people that she has recruited from Korea wouldn't fit the qualifications that has been mentioned on this thread and they got jobs. They had been in Korea a couple years, had a TEFL but non English majors. Decent pay as well (4k/month).

OP, I'd try for it. It won't hurt to try and I'm using the job offers to people I know as a reason.

Socially, you already know that what its gonna be like. As for the online TEFL, I did mine in class and a friend did his online. His online cert didn't say online and its been accepted at every school he's applied to. From what I understand from the company he went through they had both online and classroom instruction but their cert didn't distinguish it. Not saying to do that but if your cert is unclear as to it being online or not, the country may not as well.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
Really?! There is a woman I kniow who worked in the middle east and has been recruiting other women to come. There seems to be some sort of shortage and it seems its easier to get a job if you're a woman.

There is a shortage at many places for many reasons... most often there are shortages because people leave as quickly as they arrive because of the conditions.

VS
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scjw



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sirius Black if you have the contact details for the woman recruiter or a reputable school/recruiter kindly PM me the details. I am aware KSA has a huge need for female instructors. Unfortunately, my Cert clearly is written in print "online".

What would make this forum more helpful if people with positive experiences can write about them, and recommend a school or recruiter to teachers. Besides the money is there any positive experiences living and working in Saudi?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scjw wrote:
Hi Sirius Black if you have the contact details for the woman recruiter or a reputable school/recruiter kindly PM me the details. I am aware KSA has a huge need for female instructors. Unfortunately, my Cert clearly is written in print "online".

What would make this forum more helpful if people with positive experiences can write about them, and recommend a school or recruiter to teachers. Besides the money is there any positive experiences living and working in Saudi?


Scjw, the reality is that it's hard to find a lot of positive comments about teaching in the Kingdom. But then, these forums allow for teachers to vent�some of their issues are quite legit, whereas, others a bit exaggerated. Since you're obviously new to the Saudi forum, I suggest you spend the time to read through what others have posted over the past couple of years. Yes, the money can be good, but Saudi Arabia is a country where you really need to have low expectations and a lot of tolerance.
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