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Lobster
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The CRC is probably a condition set by the school, not the provincial gov't. International schools and western accredited offshore schools sometimes request these. Clarification please.
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't have an FBI CRC (and I'm American). Or any CRC for that matter.
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I should have clarified to the effect that "time to teach" said he needed an FBI CRC in Guangdong. My bad.
Thanks for your reply.
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Maybe we both read the same post. It's the only one I've heard, though other countries require a standard CRC (or supposedly require) it. K definitely is now requiring FBI CRC for all Americans, and only Americans. That's just out and out discrimination,
Have to ask Time to Teach. I don't think it's necessary though. Anybody?
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steve b
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| If it only applies to Americans do you not think it just may have something to do with the treatment of foreigners at their airports? Tit for tat and is it unjustified? |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| steve b wrote: |
| If it only applies to Americans do you not think it just may have something to do with the treatment of foreigners at their airports? Tit for tat and is it unjustified? |
As far as I know, an FBI CRC required for Americans is just a rumor. I had no CRC at all and start work at a uni in GZ March 1st. But it does seem to me that employers have a lot of power here and could subject you to that if they wished. But I don't know. I'm a newbie and Chinese immigration is confusing to say the least.
Steve B., your comment is a sad example of the ignorance I'm commenting on. And I wouldn't, if it were me, go throwing around lofty and noble concepts such as justice if I weren't prepared to back it up. By your reasoning, we'd all be at each other's throats, tit for tat. In fact, we often are! : (
Most of us hold in common the notion that individuals are not to be held responsible for a government's actions unless acting in the authority and sanction of said government.
And until this regulation is shown to be true (it is nothing but a false alarm at the moment), I don't see why you even needed to comment on my remark, which was after all about another country entirely. Racism and nationalism are twin devil-childs. |
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steve b
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Excuse me? My "lofty comment" as you put it, was followed by one of these - ? - this usually signifies it is a question and not a statement. And I think the query was a valid one after you yourself stated it was only for Americans. |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| steve b wrote: |
| Excuse me? My "lofty comment" as you put it, was followed by one of these - ? - this usually signifies it is a question and not a statement. And I think the query was a valid one after you yourself stated it was only for Americans. |
Nothing personal and no offense. First, I didn't mean that your comment was lofty, but rather that justice is. And immigration has a strong arm in this regard so we pay particular attention to the power of nations to restrict our movements.
I didn't mean to misread you, but I hope we can agree on the issue.
Anyway, asking 'is it not?' implies that it is and saying 'do you not think' implies that probably I should. Maybe our semantics are a bit different. No worries and a Happy New Year. : ) |
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steve b
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| Not a problem, I was merely thinking aloud because it wouldn't surprise me (if the scenario is true) simply because I know many people who have sworn they will never go to the States again after airport experiences there. Personally I have no experience - the last time I went was the '80s. |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| I'm an American and have been humiliated at airports as well. I totally agree about the unfortunate trends happening in America, but I guess that's not an appropriate topic here. I'm happy I don't have to go through the hassle of a CRC. At least not yet! |
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Guerciotti
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I think Time to Teach's situation is rare. It just freaked me out.
If I ask for an FBI CRC during the summer it takes 3 months to arrive, complicating the job search.
Tambi�n no beber cerveza. Baijiu est� prohibido! Solo vino rubio para mi. No hay problemas. Disfrute del nuevo a�o! Haha, jaja, 哈哈 |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I think Time to Teach's situation is rare. It just freaked me out.
If I ask for an FBI CRC during the summer it takes 3 months to arrive, complicating the job search.
Tambi�n no beber cerveza. Baijiu est� prohibido! Solo vino rubio para mi. No hay problemas. Disfrute del nuevo a�o! Haha, jaja, 哈哈 |
Just my cinco pesos, but a place requiring an FBI check sounds pretty paranoid and not much fun to work at.I myself would avoid it.
I think there is good reason to be a little 'freaked out.' I have noticed things tightening up in several different countries over the last six months. Seems something is brewing, but I have no idea what. It's no secret that it's quickly becoming a hirer's market in many countries, but why that would lead places to suddenly require FBI checks is beyond me. Anybody know the crime stats on FT's committed in their host countries? Seems ludicrous (and muy loco 愚) to me. |
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steve b
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The USA won't give visas for holidays with a record. |
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Cyberkada
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bluetortilla wrote: |
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Yes I think Time to Teach's situation is rare. It just freaked me out.
If I ask for an FBI CRC during the summer it takes 3 months to arrive, complicating the job search.
Tambi�n no beber cerveza. Baijiu est� prohibido! Solo vino rubio para mi. No hay problemas. Disfrute del nuevo a�o! Haha, jaja, 哈哈 |
Just my cinco pesos, but a place requiring an FBI check sounds pretty paranoid and not much fun to work at.I myself would avoid it.
I think there is good reason to be a little 'freaked out.' I have noticed things tightening up in several different countries over the last six months. Seems something is brewing, but I have no idea what. It's no secret that it's quickly becoming a hirer's market in many countries, but why that would lead places to suddenly require FBI checks is beyond me. Anybody know the crime stats on FT's committed in their host countries? Seems ludicrous (and muy loco 愚) to me. |
The US FBI police check magically appeared on my list of 11 or so things I need for processing about 1 month before I was scheduled to start. Must have been a new requirement. I told them fly me to the US and put me up into a hotel while its being processed. AFAIK, FBI processing is done at the local police level. They relented and just used my NBI Clearance that I already had submitted. |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| steve b wrote: |
| The USA won't give visas for holidays with a record. |
Yeah, well. It's a prison planet ain't it?
But what does that have to do with us English teachers getting work in China? In all my travels I've never been required to produce a CRC. Countries that require them are (or should be) aberrations.
As an aside as I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at due to the brevity of the observation, I was just born in the US. I have nothing to do with its actions. My citizenship was imposed upon me and has nothing to do with my beliefs and vice versa. I believe that's true for most people, despite their superficial patriotism. |
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steve b
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| It has everything to do with other countries controlling who sets foot in them for holidays or for work. You say the USA is an aberration - they all will follow suit. |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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The US FBI police check magically appeared on my list of 11 or so things I need for processing about 1 month before I was scheduled to start. Must have been a new requirement. I told them fly me to the US and put me up into a hotel while its being processed. AFAIK, FBI processing is done at the local police level. They relented and just used my NBI Clearance that I already had submitted. |
Well, now that we're seeing more people getting hit with this maybe it IS something to be concerned about. For me, it's just another added hassle.
I know that it is possible to have the check done from overseas. Your prints have to be notarized and the report has to be sent to a domestic address (someone in your family most likely), and then sent here. A royal pain in the derri�re.
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