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tomwaits



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: ..anyone out there enjoying themselves? Reply with quote

Hi,

Would be good to hear about some success stories where people are enjoying themselves and are glad they made the decision to work in TEFL.

I'm in my late forties and about to start my CELTA. Would be good to hear from some other late starters.

Thanks in advance.
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contented



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello!
What a nice topic for a thread. I don't regret my decision, actually I wish I would have started 2 years earlier than I did. I guess a little timidity and overly protective parents were the reasons I didn't. I think I am successful so far. I'm learning a new language, experiencing a new culture, dealing with a lot of challenges I wouldn't have encountered had I stayed in my hometown, travelling, and saving money. I think you'll have a great experience if you make the most of it and embrace the cultures of the lands you travel to. All the best to you in your endeavours. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started almost 14 years ago and have never regretted changing careers Very Happy
Business in the US was depressing enough way back then.....!!

I've had a lot of good luck along the way, - - and have put in some work to keep upgrading my qualifications and credentials.

I think it's generally true that those teachers who are content to remain at entry-level in terms of qualifications often end up with some (maybe mostly financial) regrets.
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SahanRiddhi



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're asking the wrong question. To ask for positive stories means you will hear ... only positive stories. Go for a well rounded picture, positives and negatives, before taking the plunge into any new endeavor. In your late 40s there isn't as much room to make mistakes and recover from them, unless you already have a pension or large retirement savings put away. Even then, seek out the whole story, especially from the particular country or region you are interested in.
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tomwaits



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Sahan - I understand that there is little money to be made, I am not in it to make money. I have pension for a modest retirement and house equity to buy a similarly modest flat/house, albeit dependent on final divorce settlement. With respect I think I have asked the right question. There seem to be plenty of threads with negative sentiment, which I take on board. I would just like to hear from those who have been happy or very happy to have taken the plunge.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a genuine assessment of teaching will always be balanced because there are positives and negatives as with most kinds of work. I agree, tomwaits, that there has been little balance in some of the threads on this forum.

I didn�t exactly �take the plunge� as such because TEFL has almost always been mixed with other teaching for me. However, there have been long periods when I�ve done only English language teaching, and that�s currently the case. I�ve seen it as important as any other kind of teaching and invested in improving myself as a language teacher in all kinds of ways. It�s paid off for me in that I�ve been able to get work I find rewarding and save as well.

Despite that I sometimes feel the need to take breaks from teaching and have taken them at various times. I�m surprised whenever I hear it described as easy work, as I think it can be quite draining. However, I always miss it after a while and am happy to return to it. Indeed I worry I�ll lose some ground if I don�t keep my hand in with it. A great class can put you on top of the world. Even a less than great class invariably has great students, and seeing some of those less than great students start doing really well is a kick. I feel fortunate that my line of work means there have been, and still are, opportunities for me in various countries.
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microbabe



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wish I had done it earlier in my life, but at the time it never occurred to me. Love the teaching, hate the politics and management situation. Wrong school at the moment . Will move and hopefully management will be a bit better.
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EFLeducator



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to enjoy your time in EFL, make sure you work in a country that pays good. That leaves out Latin America. Try S. Korea or Japan, or the Middle East. Cool
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denise



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLeducator wrote:
If you want to enjoy your time in EFL, make sure you work in a country that pays good. That leaves out Latin America. Try S. Korea or Japan, or the Middle East. Cool


Having worked in 3 of those 4 places, I have to disagree. I was content in the Middle East, but there's more to happiness than a decent salary. Sure, don't head to certain regions & stay there too long if you need to start planning for retirement, but a year or two in a country that appeals to you can be good for the soul--then at the end of the year you move on in search of better money.

I'm another happy TEFLer. I started in 1999, taught in several countries, and am now back in the US working at a university. Full-time, with benefits--which supposedly doesn't exist if you listen to the nay-sayers.

Regrets? Nope. Not even financial ones. Even on my current salary--quite a bit less than I was earning in the Middle East--I manage to enjoy myself. I don't even regret the few bad jobs that I accepted, because they prompted me to move on and find something better.

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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latin America can pay well only when you take the long view or if you upgrade your education. Mexico and Colombia stand out for this.

Ditto on money isn't everything...quality of life is measured in many different ways.

I'm quite content with the choices I've made, in my 12th year in Mexico now happily settled and with a growing family. Getting a little harder to travel around the region now with two young children - so much more gear than simply renting a car and heading to the beach with the dogs and a backpack, but that's no regret.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLeducator wrote:
If you want to enjoy your time in EFL, make sure you work in a country that pays good. That leaves out Latin America. Try S. Korea or Japan, or the Middle East. Cool


How about skipping EFL all together? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Latin America can pay well only when you take the long view or if you upgrade your education. Mexico and Colombia stand out for this.

Ditto on money isn't everything...quality of life is measured in many different ways.


So all those folks with BA plus TEFL plus 5 years exp. plus perhaps a MA and a DELTA are just raking in the dough in Mexico?

Yep, money isn�t everything but there is nothing noble about being poor, without a career path, lacking savings, a pension, retirement plan etc.

Money is a tool. With it you can do many things, go many places, improve your quality of life, education, health etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise wrote:
EFLeducator wrote:
If you want to enjoy your time in EFL, make sure you work in a country that pays good. That leaves out Latin America. Try S. Korea or Japan, or the Middle East. Cool


Having worked in 3 of those 4 places, I have to disagree. I was content in the Middle East, but there's more to happiness than a decent salary. Sure, don't head to certain regions & stay there too long if you need to start planning for retirement, but a year or two in a country that appeals to you can be good for the soul--then at the end of the year you move on in search of better money.

I'm another happy TEFLer. I started in 1999, taught in several countries, and am now back in the US working at a university. Full-time, with benefits--which supposedly doesn't exist if you listen to the nay-sayers.

Regrets? Nope. Not even financial ones. Even on my current salary--quite a bit less than I was earning in the Middle East--I manage to enjoy myself. I don't even regret the few bad jobs that I accepted, because they prompted me to move on and find something better.

d


Benefits if you make it to a uni in the US full-time, outside the US like most EFL�ers are, it is slim pickings.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: ..anyone out there enjoying themselves? Reply with quote

tomwaits wrote:
Hi,

Would be good to hear about some success stories where people are enjoying themselves and are glad they made the decision to work in TEFL.

I'm in my late forties and about to start my CELTA. Would be good to hear from some other late starters.

Thanks in advance.


I have been in TEFL for 7 years. I am now pretty much done with it (unless I do open up my own school) and very glad to get out of it.

The whole industry is a sham in so many ways. From the rip-off TEFL certs that pump out "teachers" to the language schools that only care about a profit and those use both the teachers and students.

If you want an adventure for a year or two, EFL is fine.

If you want a long-term career teaching either in the US or abroad, better off to get a MA and take the high road. Apply and work for Uni�s and Intl. high schools.

Do I regret doing EFL? No. Would I do it again? Sure, but you better have an exit plan so you got something to fall back on.
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EFLeducator



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
So all those folks with BA plus TEFL plus 5 years exp. plus perhaps a MA and a DELTA are just raking in the dough in Mexico?


Nope. There's no REAL money to be had in Mexico Prof. Gringo. Not in EFL anyway. It makes my heart sad because my beautiful Mexico pays so little to TEFLer's. Crying or Very sad

Prof.Gringo wrote:
Yep, money isn�t everything but there is nothing noble about being poor, without a career path, lacking savings, a pension, retirement plan etc.


Great points Prof. Gringo. Something to THINK about. NOTHING noble about being poor as you said. Just ask any unemployed person here in the U.S. or a poor Mexican in Mexico City. They will all tell you the same thing...there's NOTHING NOBLE about not having enough money for anything.
Things are picking up for me here in the states. Perhaps it was the holidays, who knows? Thanks again for those EXCELLENT points Prof. Grino and for helping to keep things FAIR & BALANCED.

A lot of Mexicans and some Americans I met while in Mexico City would always try to make a poor lifestyle sound noble. I figured out why they said and believed those things...it was because they were unable to better themselves for one reason or another. So it helped them to feel better about themselves to promote their poor lifestyles.

One rich Mexican I knew told me this as well.

Prof.Gringo wrote:
Money is a tool. With it you can do many things, go many places, improve your quality of life, education, health etc.


Right Professor!! And thanks again for that thought provoking post!! Cool
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