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Paying off Debt while teaching overseas

 
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USAMATHMAN



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: Paying off Debt while teaching overseas Reply with quote

Hello all,

Thanks for reading/responding to my post. I am currently in process interviewing for positions in Saudi and UAE. I am hoping to make the move sometime this summer if I receive a good enough offer.

My question......
(1) How did you go about paying off debt while you where teaching overseas?

(2) Did you pay off your debts in one lump sum or did you make smaller payments (i.e. 2K per month toward debt).


I have about $40K in student loans that I need to pay off before I return to the U.S.

Any advice would be great!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the internet these days, this sort of stuff is easy. I would set up automatic payments through my US bank account and then transfer my overseas income to my US account.

Many friends in various countries now can go online and transfer dollars. You will likely be charged at both ends.

VS
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto what VS suggested. I would add that you set up an account with a US credit union versus a bank because the overall fees are lower with credit unions.

As for paying off your student debt, if your loans were through private financial institutions and carry a high interest rate, then by all means, pay the things off as soon as possible. However, if they're federal loans via the Dept of Ed, then consolidating them to get the lowest interest rate possible would be a smart move in keeping your monthly payments low while you continue to save money on the side. This type of student loan debt is considered "good" debt over the long run. Either way, at least you're being responsible in ensuring your student loans get paid and that your credit record remains untarnished.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no such thing as good debt. Pay it off as soon as you can. If you have a low interest rate, that means you are paying the debt for 30 years (so you are still paying it in your 50's, 60's, 70's maybe...). And you will end up paying 150k or more on 40k debt. Not to mention that student loans can not be gotten rid of in bankruptcy so if you ever get sick or unemployed and can't work for awhile, you may end up in default and then all sorts of bad things happen. You do not have a right to more than one deferral and whether you actually get a second one or not is pretty random. So pay it off and never deal with them again. 40k isn't a lot of money and you should be able to pay it off in a few years.

Try banking with Charles Schwab as they generally have low or no fees for world wide ATMs and you can trade stock/bonds with the same account.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fladude: I understand from your previous posts that student loans are a real sore spot for you and probably for other forum members too. Not surprising, defaults on student loans outnumber credit card default rates in the US.

I put quotation marks around the word good because educational debt is for the purpose of investing in one's future earning potential. But debt is debt (a four-letter word, by the way) and yes, student loan debt and child support obligations cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. It should be noted, however, that if the OP can pay off his loans while at the same time add significantly to his savings, then he should go for it. (The exception are those nasty, high-interest private student loans which should be paid off asap.) On the other hand, if he's putting most of his earnings toward paying off his low-interest, loan and not into saving for emergencies, retirement (unless provided by his overseas employer), and essential major purchases, then he's not helping himself get ahead financially.

We don't know the OP's salary because he's still in the job hunting process, but he'll need to find a balance between paying down his loans while at the same time, ensuring he has enough savings to live off of when he returns stateside and has to look for work. He'd then have the option of temporarily postponing his student loan payments via forebearance if he runs into financial difficulties. But I agree, it's best to get these pesky education debts off one's back once and for all.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice nomad soul. I am one of those who hates debt too.

Depends on one's income, of course, but I'd probably do a half and half thing... make sure that I have at least 2 years of normal living expenses back home in savings for emergency and then get rid of the ed loans as quickly as I could.

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USAMATHMAN



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: Paying off debt Reply with quote

Hey all,

Thanks for the responses. They were very helpful. As all of you mentioned in the earlier posts........my biggest issue was finding the balance between how much should go towards savings vs paying off debt.

My preference would be to pay off the loans asap. But as you all suggested, I definitely need to put away enough money for savings/emergencies.

Will keep you all up to date on progress with interviews/offers.

Thanks again!!!
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fladude



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:

We don't know the OP's salary because he's still in the job hunting process, but he'll need to find a balance between paying down his loans while at the same time, ensuring he has enough savings to live off of when he returns stateside and has to look for work. He'd then have the option of temporarily postponing his student loan payments via forebearance if he runs into financial difficulties. ll.


Again that is simply not true. If the loans are through Sallie Mae, he might be able to get a forbearance, but most people consolidated their loans... through who knows who.... Once it is in the hands of a private lender, even if it is a federal loan, then things can get pretty iffy. You only have right to 1 year of forbearance through the Federal Loan program. After that it is up to your lender as to whether you get one or not. Are some people given additional time? Yes. But some are not. Was I? No. So I know for a FACT that you can be simply out of luck when it comes to student loans. And all the good intentions and happy feelings in the world won't change that.

So while, of course, you need to save enough money to LIVE off of in case something bad happens , because living is obviously more important than paying back student loans (even if you have to go into default to keep living). But once you have that covered, pay off the debt. It is not good debt. There is no such thing.

In fact, its the worst kind of debt, because it never goes away. If you start a business and it goes out of business, then you walk away from it. If you make a bad deal on a house, you walk away from it. You stop paying for your car, it gets repo'd. You don't pay your credit cards, maybe you get sued, maybe they just mess up your credit. These debts are all things that you can basically walk away from and in a worst case scenario bankrupt out of. But student loans never go away and haunt you forever. Even the interest never stops compiling.

If you were disabled tomorrow and could not pay off your student loans. You would not get a lifetime forbearance. What you would get is the loan company taking 15 percent social security disability for the rest of your life (which under the law they are entitled to do). So no this is not good debt.

People talk about how it helps your credit rating. It may, and may make it easier to get credit cards. But it does not really help you get a loan for say a house. For that kind of loan, the most important factor will be how much you make and how much are willing to put down. In fact, being in debt can hurt you when you got buy a house, because the bank will consider the debt payments to be reducing your income (increased obligations)..

As such I do not consider it to be good debt, and would absolutely get rid of it. While obviously set enough money aside to make sure that you don't have to live on the street if your lose your job. That is more important than student loans. If your choice is ever to feed yourself or your family, or pay student loans, then don't pay them. But after the basics are taken care of, I would still advise that paying off debt is more important than just about anything else.
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