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PandaPandemonium
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I'm working for such a kindergarten right now(Kid Castle, it is quite famous) and foreign teacher is there mainly for advertising purposes.
I know about this policy but I also know that many private schools employ non-natives as their regular teachers (they are not white monkeys)
But white monkey syndrome is very widespread. |
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PandaPandemonium
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| TexasHighway wrote: |
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| Schools want white people, and a white person will always get a job in China, even if not a native (my opinion). Looks play a big part here |
This is completely false in my experience. Most of the universities I have worked at have strict policies about hiring only native English speakers. I have never worked for one of those "white monkey" language mills and would never want to. As far as looks playing a big part, some of the ugliest people I have ever seen are FTs in China. |
A friend of mine who is also a teacher in China had several non-native teachers who couldn't even speak English at his previous university job. He says it was scary. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think Texas is right re the strategy.
Get the Russian-speaking job nailed down first.
The English-speaking job should fall into place. |
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blitzkrig
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| You say she has all the qualifications but she is a non-native speaker? It seems like that would be one of the most important qualifications. With the economic woes in the West, native speakers are lining up to teach in China. Yes, non-native speakers can get ESL positions too, but often they will end up with the jobs nobody else wants. And they are usually from countries with strong historical ties to English speaking countries such as the Philllipines, India, Nigeria, and Western European countries. If a school is going to resort to a non-native ESL teacher, they might decide to settle for a native Chinese teacher. I agree with the others who suggest that perhaps she go with her strength and teach Russian. She can probably get a decent job at a good university. I would suggest getting a job nailed down for her first, and then you follow her as an ESL teacher. As long as you have the basic qualifications, you can always get a job somewhere. |
When i was teaching in China, i had a salary that was signficantly higher than that of my native English speaking colleagues. I also know that i was prioritized during the application process.
I'm not a native speaker of English. |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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You are the exception, not the rule. I think you are well aware of that however.
Out of curiosity, why were you paid more than the other teachers? Qualifications? |
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Miles Smiles
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I've met a couple of Russian English teachers in China. It IS possible, but I think that she'd have the best luck by mass-mailing her CV directly to every school that interests her.
abroadchina.org lists many schools and allows one to contact schools directly. If she has other skills, she might want to include those in her CV as well. I'd advise her to investigate universities. They seem to have the most relaxed attitude toward non-native speakers. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| TexasHighway wrote: |
PandaPandemonium
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| Schools want white people, and a white person will always get a job in China, even if not a native (my opinion). Looks play a big part here |
This is completely false in my experience. Most of the universities I have worked at have strict policies about hiring only native English speakers. I have never worked for one of those "white monkey" language mills and would never want to. As far as looks playing a big part, some of the ugliest people I have ever seen are FTs in China. |
I think that both of the posts are correct. They both describe the situation on mainland China well.
An English language teacher is a teacher, not a native English speaker, not a white person. If you want to talk professionally about the job, you will have to consider qualifications, experiences, and qualities of applicants. Then, you'll also have to look at the position being offered too.
To my knowledge, many schools/centers lack greatly in selecting appropriate applicants for the positions offered. The enormous confusion over varieties of issues in the education sector is one of the reasons the country is having difficulties recruiting suitable foreign individuals in.
There are teaching jobs of all sorts in the country, and so a Russian, especially one with good English and teaching skills, may land a job. If s/he has an English speaking country's degree, TEFL cert and some teaching experience, the chances will most certainly increase.
Finally, it will most often come down to the legal working status in the country and here the regulations call for English speaking countries professionals or non professionals. This means that an employer with connections may only obtain the appropriate working visa for the applicant from other countries and that even if they are more suitable than some "native English speakers" are. |
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blitzkrig
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Opiate wrote: |
You are the exception, not the rule. I think you are well aware of that however.
Out of curiosity, why were you paid more than the other teachers? Qualifications? |
Age, experience, qualifications and possibly attitude.
There are employers in China who offer salaries based on qualifications, especially if there's a westerner with a good amount of influnence involved.
Native speaker or not - It's those kind of employers you want, because they hire you for other reasons other than being a native speaker or a foreigner. |
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