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[Russell Hadd]

[dmb]

[quote="Teacher in Rome"]

[Russell Hadd]

[grahamb]

Russell is that strange cratur, a Brit-minded Celtic supporter. Equally unpopular in East or West Belfast. Cast your mind back a few years, Russell. Remember the 16 year-old whose throat was cut as he walked home after a Celtic match? His crime? Wearing a Celtic top. Wear what you will, but be aware that there are plenty of redneck types out there who don�t share your fraternal feelings.
My negative energy is aimed only at Brits and Little Englanders. I have no axe to grind with anyone else.
The STB and the Record do not represent the majority of opinion in Scotland. And as for John Swinney wishing England all the best... Grrrrrrr!!!
Sassunach - note the "u" in the correct spelling - is simply the Gaelic word for an Englishman. It has no inherent derogatory meaning.
Teacher in Rome - to answer your question, yes, I object strongly to being called "Jock". To me it�s no less offensive than "dago", "wop", or the "n" word.
Enough ranting from me... at least for the time being!

[Russell Hadd]

[grahamb]

Okay, let me clarify. I'm sick of patronising, condescending, arrogant Anglos who think their very existence is a blessing to the rest of us. If that particular cap fits, then by all means wear it with pride.
If you really knew anything about football, politics or religion you'd appreciate the very real links between Belfast and Glasgow. Busloads of football fans and republican and loyalist marching bands regularly travel in both directions. Weapons, ammunition and funds also flow from the west of Scotland to the six counties.
I'm not confusing anything. That kid was murdered because he was wearing a Celtic top. His killer came from a family of notorious loyalists, and attempts were made to have him transferred to a prison in Ulster to be nearer his political pals there. Whether you like it or not, sectarianism is alive and kicking in football, and the old firm have thrived on it for decades.
As for white settlers, they're everywhere, betweeen 800,000 and one million of them (that explains the England shirts you saw on your travels).
Like you, many of them also preach to us about how to be good little Brits.
Maybe you think the refusal to accept Scottish banknotes in England is amusing. Did three of my great uncles die at the Somme to preserve that piece of "liberty"? They'd have done better to have fought alongside Pearse and Connolly in the GPO.

[Russell Hadd]

[dmb]

Russell, that is the most offensive avatar on Dave's

[Russell Hadd]

[SueH]

Dear Graham,

So you don't like being called Jock - fair enough, but it seems to me that in England it's normally used in a reasonably affectionate or positive way; unlike your own references to Anglo-Saxons, Brits, Sassunachs, white settlers and so forth.

You don't seem to be able to distinguish individuals in all this terminology, and your language verges on racist. If you had more specific complaints about individuals I wouldn't mind so much. Maybe everybody just recognizes you as a deliciously easy target to wind-up and patronise.

I don't see the same sort of problems with Scots friends here in the deep South; the friends whose house I went to watch Euro 2004 with, the Scottish musicians with whom I play in sessions, the guy from Glasgow down the local. There just aren't any issues.

As for who did what and on what side in 1916, we just think 'poor b*****ds' whichever side they got shot for, and respect them for that. Whatever the historical antecedents of the present sectarianism I'm sure a simple solution is to blame someone else, but whatever the merits of the historical arguments I just wish the current tribalism wasn't embraced quite so heartily by some of the present participants.

[Russell Hadd]

I promise you times they are a changing. There are still far too many Old Firm bigots just as there are still too many Scots who haven't quite made the leap into the 21st Century. This one lives and works alongside like minded people who have various 'tribal' characteristics. I don't have a problem with the Rangers fans I know.

Of course I would not go to certain pubs or areas in a Celtic shirt but that's better than before and it will continue getting better as the ethnic mix of the city continues to develop over the next few years.

[grahamb]

Russell "Rule Britannia" says we Scots are still living in the past. Yes, and if it wan't for the English, the French would be Krauts. Who complains most about the European Union? Middle England, of course.
How can one argue with those who see the world through Brit-coloured glasses? If you dare to object to English dominion, you're a racist. If you object to being patronised, you're a racist. If you advocate independence, you're a racist. That really takes the biscuit. For the record, I spent eight years studying and working in England. If I really were racist, I wouldn't have even crossed the border. If I were racist, I wouldn't have English friends, nor would I have any music by English artists in my collection. The same goes for the books on my shelves. Hell, I wouldn�t even consider speaking, never mind teaching the English language. Anyway, the English are no more a race than the Scots.
SueH, I repeat what I said about Sasunnach: it's the Gaelic word for an Englishman. It has no negative connotation. As for white settlers, some of them are just that: people who look down on us as inferiors. In Ireland they call them blow-ins. Interestingly, I've never met a black or Asian Little Englander. They obviously know better.
Russell, you cannot ignore the cultural links between the West of Scotland and Northern Ireland. They go back beyond the time of the Plantations.

[Hector_Lector]

Some Scottish people are also very proud to be British.

Or so it would seem...

http://www.nfscotland.co.uk/

[Hector_Lector]

I hasten to add that I am not endorsing this group.

[Russell Hadd]