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nomadic
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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Presume what you like buddy, but you're wrong.
What the heck is unedumacated anyway? |
By 'presume', I wasn't intending to say that MUST be what you intended, but if it wasn't (as turned out to be the case), I wouldn't have needed to post any of that. So it was more of a lead-in to my counter-point, in case that's what you had meant. Since it wasn't, no worries, I agree with you for the most part. ;)
As for 'unedumacated', it's just a poke at my 'uneducated' self... you've never heard the term before? Although I don't think Bush has ever said it, it's along the same lines as his 'misunderestimated' goof, and I've heard it in general conversation now and then.
At any rate, we largely agree, so this is just here as clarification and to enlighten you as to the meaning of a bit of slang.
Cheers,
- nomadic
"Never let school interfere with your education." - Mark Twain |
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shmooj
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Location: Seoul, ROK
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Well I never. 340 hits on Google for unedumacated. Never heard of it before.
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Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Well I never. 340 hits on Google for unedumacated. Never heard of it before.
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Guess you're not unedumacated enough. First I ever heard of it too. |
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migo
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| unedumecated isn't that common, but edumecated is reasonably common. |
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shmooj
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Well with only 3000 hits on Google, I'd hardly say it was "reasonably common" that is if you rate Google as a reflection of langauge used by society. |
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migo
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't say it was used frequently. Also, while I consider google to be a viable research tool, I wouldn't consider the results it turns up to be conclusive in any way. Especially in this case, as there is no official spelling for it so you'd have to look for both edumecated, edumacated, edumucated etc. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I would hazard a guess that teaching swimming is about as relevant to teaching English as teaching bricklaying is. |
And I would hazard a guess that wasting 4 years in university studying biology only to become an ESL teacher holds the same weight.
Example:
Candidate One:
"Hi! My name is Fred. I am 22 years old. I am now living in Seattle, WA. I have a degree in microbiology. I just finished school now. I possess extensive research experience studying fungii, bateria, etc. I can easily work alone, as most of my four years studying and researching was done as one-man projects. I want a job teaching English in Japan because the culture is interesting. Although I have no teaching experience, I am a fast learner."
Candidate Two:
"Greetings! Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Fred, a 29 year-old ESL teacher currently in Japan. I have been an English teacher in Asia for over 7 years (South Korea, China, and Taiwan). I also hold TESOL certification, specializing with teaching children. Here are my references from all my former employees, some parents of past students, and even students themselves! I want to teach in Japan because Japan is a modern nation with a high standard of living."
Who would you pick?
I would pick #2 because he has REAL relevant experience, a relevent certificate, probably knows how to manage a classroom, teach from text books, etc. etc.
He is also far more honest as to why he wants to work in Japan.
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| Swimming is not an academic subject, regardless of how difficult it may be. And I suspect the classroom dynamics are somewhat different, given that the physical aspect of a swimming pool is somewhat different from that of a regular classroom. |
Biology has nothing do to with teaching English.
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| A lot of the class management techniques appropriate to swimming classes probably aren't relevant to EFL. And vice versa. I wouldn't suggest for a moment that I would be an effective swimming teacher. |
Biology has nothing to do with managing a classroom.
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| If I want to practice law I go to law school, and become a mechanic I learn a trade. If you want to teach English in most Ssian countries you need a bachelors degree, regardless of whether you think its necessary. |
What does biology have to do with teaching English to kids?
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| I also forgot to mention that many language teachers here are working with Masters and PhDs, as well. |
Yeah. "Hello, my name is Fred. I have my Masters degree in microbiology. I am qualified to teach English."
Um, no Fred. Don't lie to people.
You can't hack it as a microbiologist back home so you come to Japan for easy money, easy living, rock-star status, and Japanese girls. |
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Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Great Wall,
Any job that asks for a Masters degree as a requirement says it must be in TESOL, Education, Applied Linguistics or TESOL-related. A Masters in Microbiology will not do anything for you. There will always be exceptions, like Korea, but a masters is not a requirement there. It just gives you a slightly higher salary. |
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shmooj
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Location: Seoul, ROK
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Whiner... while at face value what you say seems to be valid, I know myself that it usually isn't.
The least valuable thing I got from my university days was the actual qualification. I did Architecture which, you could argue was as useful as microbiology. However, there are tons of skills, I have now found with experience, which I realise I picked up at university from both my course and my life there and many of these are very useful in EFL.
My wife, on the other hand, did not go to university and she regrets that. She is often saying how she lacks life skills that others seem to have picked up effortlessly during their days at uni. She has found it has taken her much longer to gain skills like working to a deadline, taking criticism, problem solving, dealing with stress and a workload, interacting with new people, managing money, researching a query etc...
Arguably all of those skills are useful in EFL as they are in many other jobs and they are all common to a student's experience at uni whether they have studied microbiology or traffic science. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Whiner,
Your comparison is interesting, but you didn't list whether Fred 2 has a bachelor's degree or not, just a TESOL certificate. If he doesn't have one, odds are that he won't get the job (in Japan anyway) because he can't get a work visa. Some exceptions exist.
So, it's not necessarily a matter of who looks better on paper (Fred 2 does).
By the way, your description of Fred 1 sounds vaguely familiar. Is it patterned after someone we know?  |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Location: Blabbing
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, your description of Fred 1 sounds vaguely familiar. Is it patterned after someone we know? |
Possibly, except I already taught for a year in Japan.
My resume could say "11 years teaching experience" instead of "7 years teaching experience" had I never wasted 4 years of my life drinking beer , debating left vs. right, and partying with future political scientists. |
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shmooj
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Location: Seoul, ROK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| drinking beer , debating left vs. right, and partying with future political scientists. |
see... I told you experience of uni was valuable |
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lajzar
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Posts: 647
Location: Saitama-ken, Japan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| whiner, very interesting straw man you set up. Except I was comparing a qualified brick layer with a qualified swimming instructor. |
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Jetgirly
Joined: 17 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Are BA's really necessary |
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| I don't have a BA, I'll soon have a diploma from college, does this mean that they won't even consider me? I've been teaching swimming lessons for almost 6 years now and have been teaching leadership and babysitting courses for 2 years. I just can't see why a person with a degree but no teaching experience should get a job over me, a person with 6 years experience teaching kids and teens. |
Hi Geoff!
I have a BA and I have excellent spoken and written English skills. Can I come be a swimming instructor at your pool? |
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mesmerod
Joined: 19 Jul 2004
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well this seems to be the thread for my scenario....
i am almost 28 years old with a BS mechanical engineering and a MS engineering sciences degrees. and obviously this wont mean squat when it comes to teaching. i've been to south america and really enjoy the culture, people, language, and lifestyle. i am considering doing a CELTA course in Bogota, Colombia this fall. after completing the course i would like to find employment teaching in either Bogota, Medellin, Cali, or Barranquilla for a 3-6 month term. would the fact that i have a BS and an MS degree matter much in that region? i'm wondering if it will at least open up some doors. i have decided that engineering is NOT the career of interest for me and i am desparate to live abroad for a long long time. i enjoy learning foreign languages and i am hoping this is something that will let me be a successful EFL teacher. i guess i would just like some thoughts or comments if anyone has been in a similar position. i have never tought anything in my life, but i do find the prospect of it very challenging and purposeful. thanks |
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