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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Location: Northern Italy
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 Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: British Snobbery |
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| Anytime now wrote: |
| I believe it was Prince Charles who said that English English is the only true "standard English". The rest of the country seems to take their cue from him. |
Absolute cods; if anything people take the p1ss out of how he speaks. Gregorio's point is relevant - native speakers, if anything, are less prescriptive and they are coming from a position of confidence.
I've known reputable colleges in the UK employ non-native speakers in certain situations, and frankly there is a far greater awareness of world Englishes here in the UK than in some EFL expatriate enclave elsewhere: which is where I expect you are writing from. |
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Anytime now
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: ? |
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Cods! How provincial. And this from the country that pronounces "idea" as "I dear". How prescriptive! One really should get out and travel more and find out how English has truly become global.
Yours truly,
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John ELS
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: Genoa, Italy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: ? |
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| Anytime now wrote: |
Cods! How provincial. And this from the country that pronounces "idea" as "I dear". How prescriptive! One really should get out and travel more and find out how English has truly become global.
Yours truly,
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Do you even know what prescriptive means? |
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SueH
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't look like it John, does it. He doesn't even understand what I've written. Che burino. |
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Anytime now
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: Get it |
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You really don't get it, do you? It's something you have to think about. You know, subtlety?
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John ELS
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Get it |
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| Anytime now wrote: |
You really don't get it, do you? It's something you have to think about. You know, subtlety?
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No I don't. Please enlighten me. I don't have time to think. |
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Anytime now
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Thinking about it |
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Oh well, if you CAN'T think....
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horse
Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Sarcasm: the last stand of a point scarcely worth making. Native speakers might recognise the phrase 'painting yourself into a corner'..... |
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jnesta1
Joined: 31 May 2003
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Location: Here and there
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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To all except any time now:
I always wonder what the point is of someone who has to speak in generalities like his/hers and won't defend their point except with attacks? I sure agree with John here. It's certainly not that I can't think...it's just that I choose not to think about worthless points.
More to the point, those kinds of comments will get him banned sooner or later. |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Paul, you can't work legally in Italy (in almost any case) without a citizenship from an EU member country. It's not just that British English is preferred - it's that UK citizens are almost the only ones who can get legal working papers. A school isn't going to go through the process to sponsor a non-EU citizen when there are many, many qualified EU member citizens to fill the positions.
That's not to say that you can't work illegally, but you don't sound like the type to take the risks.
You should probably check into the possibility of getting Italian citizenship through your family ties before considering the possibility of trying to find work there. |
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spiral78
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Nope. Sorry, but Italy's hiring laws make it virtually impossible for a non-EU citizen to obtain legal employment. The exceptions are International Schools and universities, both of which require either a relevant MA or regular U.S. teaching credential + significant experience.
My friend with an MA in TESL/FL + eight years of experience spent 4 years trying to obtain some legal work in Italy. No go. I had a similar experience in the Netherlands, despite having a university willing to make a case in Den Hague on my behalf. I finally got a work permit there thanks only to my spouse's large international company swinging a deal with the government to cover spouses like me.
The fact is that Italy, France, and Spain are among the most desirable places for English teachers, and they just don't need to bend the rules to get enough.
That said, many North Americans ARE working there illegally. There are risks (no health insurance, no regular contracts, etc.) but a lot of people do it. |
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hollyjeanette
Joined: 21 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: poor greek girl! |
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| Wow, I just read this thread and realized no one took a moment to explain why you inadvertantly started a firestorm. I don't know about the "Queen's English" as I am from the US but when the work "reckon" is used here it ususally means that the person is not very educated. It is bad slang. So Greek Girl, that I think was the root of the issue. Please correct me anyone if I am wrong. Chau! |
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John ELS
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: poor greek girl! |
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| hollyjeanette wrote: |
| I am from the US but when the word "reckon" is used here it ususally means that the person is not very educated. It is bad slang. |
Well, perhaps we should say, "redneck slang". (nothing against rednecks) |
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hollyjeanette
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly, I was just trying to be polite, but you are right! How did you pick up that word greek girl? |
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John ELS
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I should use more tact like you but sometimes I'm just overloaded with stress. Ahhh the life of us poor teachers! |
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