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ExpatLuke
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 Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Is teaching your job ? |
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| EFLeducator wrote: |
| Tigerstyleone wrote: |
| I've read all the threads on the first 2 pages, and I was surprised how many members say that teaching in Vietnam is not their full time job, but something they do for additional income or just to cover the rent and bills. |
I plan on teaching in HCMC FULL-TIME! There's money to be made there from what Prof. Gringo and his friend keep telling me. What's equal to 18 to 20 bucks an hour sounds great to me. |
Isn't that relatively low for HCMC and Hanoi? I get paid a bit more than that, and I live in one of Vietnam's smaller cities. |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Is teaching your job ? |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| EFLeducator wrote: |
| Tigerstyleone wrote: |
| I've read all the threads on the first 2 pages, and I was surprised how many members say that teaching in Vietnam is not their full time job, but something they do for additional income or just to cover the rent and bills. |
I plan on teaching in HCMC FULL-TIME! There's money to be made there from what Prof. Gringo and his friend keep telling me. What's equal to 18 to 20 bucks an hour sounds great to me. |
Isn't that relatively low for HCMC and Hanoi? I get paid a bit more than that, and I live in one of Vietnam's smaller cities. |
A salary that is equal to 18-20 bucks an hour sounds GREAT to me. Remember, I have been in the U.S. for the past year where if you're unemployed for any amount of time means you do not get a job.
So Vietnam sounds GREAT to me! |
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kurtz
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Location: Phaic Tan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Is teaching your job ? |
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| EFLeducator wrote: |
| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| EFLeducator wrote: |
| Tigerstyleone wrote: |
| I've read all the threads on the first 2 pages, and I was surprised how many members say that teaching in Vietnam is not their full time job, but something they do for additional income or just to cover the rent and bills. |
I plan on teaching in HCMC FULL-TIME! There's money to be made there from what Prof. Gringo and his friend keep telling me. What's equal to 18 to 20 bucks an hour sounds great to me. |
Isn't that relatively low for HCMC and Hanoi? I get paid a bit more than that, and I live in one of Vietnam's smaller cities. |
A salary that is equal to 18-20 bucks an hour sounds GREAT to me. Remember, I have been in the U.S. for the past year where if you're unemployed for any amount of time means you do not get a job.
So Vietnam sounds GREAT to me! |
I'd like to know if you're actually on a salary which is equivalent to 18-20 per hour, or if your hourly rate is between those figures but you're actually getting paid for the hours you do. On 18-20 I'd be wanting at least 80+ hours a month and a fat juicy bonus at the end of the contract.
Considering you have a Masters, shouldn't you be aiming higher than that? I certainly would be. The pay must be very poor in Mexico is all I can say. |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Is teaching your job ? |
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| kurtz wrote: |
| I'd like to know if you're actually on a salary which is equivalent to 18-20 per hour, or if your hourly rate is between those figures |
According to Prof. Gringo that is hourly. He will be starting to work in September so August is like a vacation over there for him. Nice. His friend who has been teaching there for a while told him that he could get around 20 to 30 hours a week if he wants. So 30 hours a week X 18 or 20 sounds good to me.
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| On 18-20 I'd be wanting at least 80+ hours a month and a fat juicy bonus at the end of the contract. |
I'm not sure about a bonus at the end of the contract since I will be going without a work visa or a job. I will start the process once I get over there. But I will for sure mention the bonus to whatever school I will be talking with.
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| Considering you have a Masters, shouldn't you be aiming higher than that? |
Probably, but I have been unemployed and living in the U.S. for the past year so I figure 18 to 20 per hour is good to start. I figure I'll be able to make more in Vietnam after a year or two. Especially since my Masters specialization is in English Language Learners (ELL).
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| The pay must be very poor in Mexico is all I can say. |
What's equal to 7 to 9 dollars an hour. |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Is teaching your job ? |
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| kurtz wrote: |
| Considering you have a Masters |
I recently started work on my Doctor of Education (Ed.D). I'm hoping it will help me advance at a university or some other type of company. Vietnam sounds like the promised land. |
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inhanoi
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Sorry EFLed, this is not intended as a slight against you, but you sound way too excited about what could easily become a disaster. This ProfGringo guy JUST got to Saigon last week, and you are taking what he tells you as gospel? And he hasn't found work. Yes, he THINKS he has work next month. Let's see. His mysterious friend, someone he met there, the guy who has all the inside info... surely you've met con artists in your day? Surely you realize that the loudest-mouth ESL teachers are the ones who are desperate for recognition, usually from new arrivals, because their peers have rejected them? Has ProfGringo ever met this long-term ex-pat when said ex-pat was sober?
Take a deep breath, brother. It ain't the paradise you think. I love it here, and I get annoyed and frustrated every day, and I'd never encourage another to come here based on my feelings and experiences. Hopefully it will all fall into place, but please lose the pie-in-the-sky stuff. The pie is about to hit ProfGringo in the face, and you could be next. |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| inhanoi wrote: |
| Sorry EFLed, this is not intended as a slight against you, but you sound way too excited about what could easily become a disaster. This ProfGringo guy JUST got to Saigon last week, and you are taking what he tells you as gospel? |
Trying not to but he does seem to think things are going well. Next month will show for sure but it may be too late for me by then since I am leaving Monday to go over there.
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| His mysterious friend, someone he met there, the guy who has all the inside info... surely you've met con artists in your day? |
Sorry, I wasn't clear on his friend. Prof. Gringo has known this guy for years. They are good friends.
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| Surely you realize that the loudest-mouth ESL teachers are the ones who are desperate for recognition, usually from new arrivals. |
Ohhh yes. I have "known" a few of THOSE in my past.
| inhanoi wrote: |
| Take a deep breath, brother. It ain't the paradise you think. |
Thanks and you're right. Hopefully my old buddy will be able to help me get a good paying gig going once I get there.
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| The pie is about to hit ProfGringo in the face |
I hope not. He's supposed to be my bodyguard once I arrive.  |
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EFLeducator
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Teaching EFL will be my one and only profession once I arrive in HCMC. Hope everyone likes my new avatar and location. I know I jumped the gun a little on the location but since I will be heading there on Monday the 20th I figure why not update the info now.
Thanks for all of the info Prof. Gringo. See you soon! Let's make this work buddy!
Viva Vietnam!!! |
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inhanoi
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Curious: have you ever met ProfGringo? |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| inhanoi wrote: |
| Curious: have you ever met ProfGringo? |
Yes, I have. We are good friends. |
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inhanoi
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| That's good. Best of luck to you. |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| inhanoi wrote: |
| That's good. Best of luck to you. |
Thanks my fellow TEFLer. I'm assuming you're in beautiful Vietnam? How wonderful are things over there? For Prof. Gringo they are WONDERFUL!!! Makes me excited to get over there.
Do you TEFL full time like I will be doing? |
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:46 am Post subject: When the honeymoon is over |
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Listen to "inhanoi" on this matter.
When the honeymoon is over and reality bites, will you still love it? I hope so as your enthusiasm is catching.
Think about watching dogs getting dragged to their deaths and being blowtorched before they are dead so you can eat them- the constant smell of urine in the streets, the fact the locals see the words "ATM" on your forehead.
The girls who say "I love you" but mean "I love your wallet -your ability to get me a visa to leave here".
Students who only attend classes because their parents force them to and you are the clown who entertains them while they sit there passively, learn nothing, but progress because they have paid the fee-but still can't speak any more English than when they entered the course.
Duck eggs with baby ducks in them-eaten just 1 or 2 days before hatching-eating silk worms.
Lots more to consider- Its NOT Paradise, but if you can accept the negatives, its not a bad place at all. We all make compromises. Its not Kansas Toto. |
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inhanoi
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| Please do not think for a moment that my cautionary words are to be thought of in association with the above cynicism, bitterness and exaggeration. I've been extremely happy here, and have had so many more positive than negative experiences that it's mind-boggling. |
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: cynicism, bitterness and exaggeration |
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Look around-see whats there.
No "cynicism, bitterness and exaggeration"- just observation.
I'm sure no one thinks your cautionary words are associated with my own observations- After all, I can just adopt any persona I like and talk BS.
I too have had more positive experiences than negative-but it aint Kansas Toto.
Your serve. The gallery are waiting with baited breath. |
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