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daodejing
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Putting "government" or "committe" inside a prepositional phrase so you don't have to deal with its number is akin to using the measure word ge when there is some debate about whether the proper measure word should be tiao or zhi. Or if you don't know if you should use "chairman", "chairperson" or "chairwoman" to describe the female chair of a committee, so instead you just say "the head of the committee" -- it creatively rearranges the sentence and avoids the issue, but it's not the most efficient or eloquent way of expressing yourself (although maybe it is efficient because you don't get into a three-day discussion about the finer points of usage..or style). |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the most "efficient or eloquent" way of expressing the sentence so that it's acceptable to an American audience? |
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thrifty
Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 1665 Location: chip van
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Henry is most decidely not in China! He has a real life and career.  |
Are you finally admitting that TEFLing is not a career and not a real life? |
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daodejing
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Henry_Cowell wrote: |
| What's the most "efficient or eloquent" way of expressing the sentence so that it's acceptable to an American audience? |
There is no best way to deal with the "chairperson" issue. If you say "chairman" to describe a woman, some find it sexist. If you use "chairperson" or "chairwoman" some will accuse you of being too politically correct. Now I hate p.c., but I think it is appropriate to make the language gender neutral if possible. Things have changed--women can chair committees nowadays, so I see no problem updating the language to reflect the change in the culture.
As for government and committee in written English, I would try to avoid unnecessary prepositional phrases if possible and keep the whole sentence singular, e.g. "The committee is not in agreement on the action it should take", if that's what you want to say. There may be some value in writing "the members of..." if that better expresses what you're trying to communicate. In spoken English, if there won't be transcipt of what you say then don't worry about, just try to be clearly understood. |
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Macquereau
Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Collective Nouns Are Plural? |
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A number of lawyers are in the conference room.
The book explains that "a number of" is a modifier which means "many".
Hence the subject of the sentence is lawyers rather than number
Correction:
"Of" is a preposition. "Of lawyers" is a prepositional phrase which, by definition, is never the subject of a sentence. Remove the prepositional phrase and you have "A number is in the conference room". Correct.
Or, remove the "modifier" 'A number of' and leave "Lawyers are in the conference room". Also correct.
Using both: "A number of lawyers IS in the conference room". |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Henry is most decidely not in China! He has a real life and career.  |
Are you finally admitting that TEFLing is not a career and not a real life? |
"thrifty" needs to read more slowly and carefully. And he needs to stop projecting his own sorry delusions onto others. |
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