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dmb
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| Scot, do you only get one "teacher"? Usually my students call me "teacherteacher" to which I reply "yes studentstudent" They realise that I'm taking the P*** but it is so ingrained they can't help it |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:49 am Post subject: teacherteacher ! |
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dmb is right. usually it is "Teacherteacher !" This is often followed by some attention-seeking question. My students are 19 years old but often behave like nine-year-olds. However they are certainly easier to teach than their agemates in Britain. Thank God I do not have to work there !
Students still have some respect for their teachers - especially for those with grey hair, like me. And their heads have not been filled with "Youth Culture." |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:59 am Post subject: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
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| What I don't understand is how Leeroy can aford to get drunk in London on the awful wages that an EFL teacher earns there. |
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kattie72
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Students happily saying "hello!" as they leave to go home. (having been told time and time again, that no, we do not use hello in this context)
It must come from the fact that "ciao" means both hello and goodbye, hence the confusion. |
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shmooj
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Steiner wrote: |
| gonna, wanna. In written essays! I think some of their teachers taught them this and they took off with it. Annoys me to no end. |
For my (parents) sins, this Brit boy spent two years of his schooling at an American school in the Middle East. On our spelling lists were both the words gonna and wanna. I was young but even in my naivety, I knew something was horribly wrong. |
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Teacher in Rome
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:15 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't mind if my students said "so-so". Most of them say "so-and-so" as in:
"How are you?"
"So-and-so."
It drives me nuts! |
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Roger
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:34 am Post subject: |
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"So so" seems to be a loan-translation from Chinese "mama huhu", literally "horse-horse, tiger-tiger". I accept it though I don't encourage my students to drop it too often into conversations with me.
The vocative "teacher", on the other hand, invites a harsh response from me every time I hear it. I am of opinion Chinese must learn tol respect my name which defines me better than "teacher" and is an inalienable property of mine.
I also insist that the "hello" be replaced, whenever, by appropriate greetings such as "good morning...afternoon...evening..."
Where I have thrown the towel is... "see you next Tuesday, class!" and someone comes to tell me "do you mean THIS Tuesday or NEXT Tuesday?" To me, "next" is a superlative, so there is, in my mind, no justification for the use of "next" to mean the Tuesday AFTER this Tuesday". |
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guest of Japan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I had a conversation like Roger's example tonight. I tell them if the day is only a few days away to use "this" and to use "next" if it is more than 4 days away. |
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Lynn
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: "Leeroy's words of evil" |
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| leeroy wrote: |
(Hell, I've never posted on here sober, I'm not going to start now...)
"Hello"
"Goodbye"
"Bye-bye"
"very"
"much/many" (in positive sentences)
"so-so"
"How are you? - Fine thankyou"
"cannot"
"delicious"
"diligent"
These are some of the words that are vastly overused by students worldwide. I consider it my personal mission to hammer them out, using violence if necessary. It will be the death of me before "very like" becomes an acceptable colllocation... |
Are you kidding? I love these words. It is my bread and butter of teaching. I couldn't live without them, except for diligent. My students don't use this one. |
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Capergirl
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| guest of Japan wrote: |
| I had a conversation like Roger's example tonight. I tell them if the day is only a few days away to use "this" and to use "next" if it is more than 4 days away. |
I've also had to explain to my students that "this" can mean a future time or a past time. For example, if it is Monday and I am talking about "this week", I am most likely indicating the future (the week that is just beginning), whereas if it is Friday and I am saying something about "this week", I am most likely indicating the past (the week that is just coming to an end).
To illustrate further:
On Monday, I may say "I am going to be very busy this week." (future)
On Friday, I may say, "I was very busy this week." (past)
This (pardon the pun) is one of the things my students tend to struggle with and no matter how much I explain it, they never seem to fully get it.  |
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fluffhead
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: "Leeroy's words of evil" |
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| leeroy wrote: |
(Hell, I've never posted on here sober, I'm not going to start now...)
"Hello"
"Goodbye"
"Bye-bye"
"very"
"much/many" (in positive sentences)
"so-so"
"How are you? - Fine thankyou"
"cannot"
"delicious"
"diligent"
These are some of the words that are vastly overused by students worldwide. I consider it my personal mission to hammer them out, using violence if necessary. It will be the death of me before "very like" becomes an acceptable colllocation... |
I hear ya...there was this one student I had in Germany for over a year and every day, without fail, she would say "bye-bye!" as she walked into the class! I, and the other students, would try to correct her, but lessons seemed to roll off of her like water off a duck's back. It's about that time that I developed a weird twitch in my left eye. |
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SueH
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: "Leeroy's words of evil" |
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| leeroy wrote: |
(Hell, I've never posted on here sober, I'm not going to start now...) . . . .
hmm, is it a mistake to post as I sip a gin and tonic..., I occasionally look back at what I have posted with a degree of embarassment at the content, grammar, typos....
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Maybe a few brewskis on a regular basis could help a writing career? |
Well, it didn't hurt Shakespeare.. I remember an English teacher 30 plus years ago pointing out that all the Elizabethans probably went around in a mild state of inebriation all the time due to the imbibing of small beer as an alternative to the dangerous water...
And for the benefit of Scot, I may wander out later on for a lovely pint at my local drinking place for a little less than 9 riyals, or a bit more if I go for a slightly stronger one. You just need a little local knowledge to make ones' pitiful ESOL wages go a little further. Actually, the real problem is insufficient and unreliable hours - the pay's ok, _if_ you work. At the moment I'm teaching Italian! |
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FGT
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I don't think I've (yet) been told "hello" by a student leaving a lesson but I frequently hear "Good evening". Can anyone explain WHY this should only be used as a greeting? (BTW the lesson finishes at 9pm)
"so so" is also much overused in Turkey. I think students liken it to "Soyle boyle" (with apologies to the Turkish alphabet - this is an English keyboard).
"How are you?"
"Thank you"
is EVEN more annoying than (in sing-song) "Fine thanks, and you?" |
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yaramaz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| I think they say 'good evening' when they leave because they say the Turkish equivalent (iyi aksamlar) when leaving in the evening too. |
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dyak
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 10:07 am Post subject: Re: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| What I don't understand is how Leeroy can aford to get drunk in London on the awful wages that an EFL teacher earns there. |
Well, merely mentioning within earshot of a Korean, that you like Korean wine will usually guarantee you a shed load of it the following day... otherwise it's nearly �3 a pint at the local boozer...  |
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