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TimkinMS

Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 86
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I've been here for over a year and my life's never been better. Never in my home country have I been able to afford the lifestyle I currently enjoy. |
Below is the lifestyle noted. I'm not criticizing you Guiza, I'm just noting that what is a luxury to some is normal living to others.
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I'm young though and didn't have a good job back home. |
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My shared house is spacious, clean, tastefully furnished and comfortable. |
I think all houses should have these qualities. Shared? You have roommates. Because you cannot afford to live alone.
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I rarely use that plug in oven though it is good at heating up bread for a sandwich. |
Plug in? The mini-ovens you buy at Co-op that can heat bread and sandwhiches.
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I can sit on my sofa with a drink watching English football on a big TV. |
A lot of people in the world do this. .....
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to combat the depressing UK weather conditions. |
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ExpatLuke
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 744
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Who can't afford to live alone in Vietnam if they want to? Housing here ranges from $200 a month up to $2000. There's a place for everyone. Just because someone shares a large house does not mean they cannot afford to live alone. Where is that rational thinking when you need?
I know I definitely have enjoyed a much higher standard of living in Vietnam than I did in America. For the first 5 months, I was living alone in a spacious apartment about 100 meters from one of the top 5 rated beaches in the world. I had maids come clean my house and do my laundry every week. They'd even cook for me if I asked. The apartment also had all the amenities I could hope for.
After that I decided to move into a house with some of my friends. Not because of lack of money, but because of a better location, and I was getting a bit lonely living by myself. I still have maids do my cleaning. And food is so cheap here I've not cooked for myself in months.
I regularly enjoy eating at the finest restaurants in town (the cheapest ones too ), getting massages in Hoi An, going to the beach that is 2 minutes away daily, going out at night, movies whenever something new shows up, day trips to Hue, Cham Islands, Hoi An, Ba Na Hills several times a month, traveling around the rest of SE Asia when school is out (my current goal is to visit every country in SE Asia in the next few years, 3 down so far, with Indonesia trip coming up during Tet), easy transportation with my motorbike, hmm I feel I could keep going.
On top of all that, I'm only working about 20 hours a week. To enjoy this level of comfort in America, I'd have to work more than double the amount I do now.
I just don't understand how some people can't enjoy themselves in this country.
Of course its not all roses. The driving here is my biggest annoyance. I doubt I'll ever get used to that. Being so far away from family is another difficulty. But any "rationally" thinking person can see this place is lovely. |
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Durian Tango
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Posts: 65 Location: HCMC
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Nice ExpatLuke. From my years abroad teaching, you represent the majority of teachers out there. We are living and teaching abroad because life is what we make of it, and you know what, life in Asia is good (though I might not want to be in Beijing at the moment!). |
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VietCanada

Joined: 30 Nov 2010 Posts: 590
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:20 am Post subject: |
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I was much more comfortable in my home country. I bought my own nice furniture and electronics, owned a car, 500 TV channels. My electricity wasn't turned off once or twice a month for no reason I know of. Buses, street cars and subways. Going out for a steak dinner with a baked potato or BBQing it myself. Roast beef dinners. Movie theatres, fast food, convenience stores, shopping for clothes that fit and just about anything else that caught my attention. Pension plans. Skinless boneless chicken bleasts and frozen lasagnas etc.
This is not home. It's like going on vacation for an extended period of time in any undeveloped country with hot weather and cheap beer except you work. If this is what you want then by all means come on down but don't say it's like home or better. That is an absurd, disingenuous thing to say. This is not Kansas.
I love the extended vacation and simple lifestyle. Sometimes I pine for a king cut roast beef with mashed potatoes and veggies with garlic but not enough to actually do anything about it. I read when the power goes out. I cook at home and dl movies and TV shows I want to see. I made something of my stay here that suits me. Just like I did at home. But at home there is more stuff to make a life with. Much, much more. |
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ExpatLuke
Joined: 11 Feb 2012 Posts: 744
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:42 am Post subject: |
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VietCanada wrote: |
I was much more comfortable in my home country. I bought my own nice furniture and electronics, owned a car, 500 TV channels. My electricity wasn't turned off once or twice a month for no reason I know of. Buses, street cars and subways. Going out for a steak dinner with a baked potato or BBQing it myself. Roast beef dinners. Movie theatres, fast food, convenience stores, shopping for clothes that fit and just about anything else that caught my attention. Pension plans. Skinless boneless chicken bleasts and frozen lasagnas etc.
This is not home. It's like going on vacation for an extended period of time in any undeveloped country with hot weather and cheap beer except you work. If this is what you want then by all means come on down but don't say it's like home or better. That is an absurd, disingenuous thing to say. This is not Kansas.
I love the extended vacation and simple lifestyle. Sometimes I pine for a king cut roast beef with mashed potatoes and veggies with garlic but not enough to actually do anything about it. I read when the power goes out. I cook at home and dl movies and TV shows I want to see. I made something of my stay here that suits me. Just like I did at home. But at home there is more stuff to make a life with. Much, much more. |
Everything you listed can be found easily in any of the 5 biggest cities in Vietnam. (Minus the car perhaps, which would be outside the pay range of most teachers. But then again, driving a car here seems much more inconvenient than driving a motorbike.)
Also, I'd like to point out that when your electricity is turned off its not for "no reason." There's always a reason, even if you don't understand what it is. It happens in your home country too.
This isn't home for you, but it is for many of us who have lived here for an extended period of time. If you don't like it here or can't be bothered to acquire the comforts you're used to, I'm at a loss as to why you'd stay. You don't need to try to convince everyone else to hate it too.
I don't think your depiction of life in Vietnam is very realistic. It might be accurate for someone who doesn't try to learn a little bit of the language, learn the culture, learn how the infrastructure works, befriend locals, or is suffering from negative culture shock, but for those that have learned these things we can walk outside and find all the creature comforts you seem to be missing with relative ease. |
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VietCanada

Joined: 30 Nov 2010 Posts: 590
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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ExpatLuke wrote: |
VietCanada wrote: |
I was much more comfortable in my home country. I bought my own nice furniture and electronics, owned a car, 500 TV channels. My electricity wasn't turned off once or twice a month for no reason I know of. Buses, street cars and subways. Going out for a steak dinner with a baked potato or BBQing it myself. Roast beef dinners. Movie theatres, fast food, convenience stores, shopping for clothes that fit and just about anything else that caught my attention. Pension plans. Skinless boneless chicken bleasts and frozen lasagnas etc.
This is not home. It's like going on vacation for an extended period of time in any undeveloped country with hot weather and cheap beer except you work. If this is what you want then by all means come on down but don't say it's like home or better. That is an absurd, disingenuous thing to say. This is not Kansas.
I love the extended vacation and simple lifestyle. Sometimes I pine for a king cut roast beef with mashed potatoes and veggies with garlic but not enough to actually do anything about it. I read when the power goes out. I cook at home and dl movies and TV shows I want to see. I made something of my stay here that suits me. Just like I did at home. But at home there is more stuff to make a life with. Much, much more. |
Everything you listed can be found easily in any of the 5 biggest cities in Vietnam. (Minus the car perhaps, which would be outside the pay range of most teachers. But then again, driving a car here seems much more inconvenient than driving a motorbike.)
Also, I'd like to point out that when your electricity is turned off its not for "no reason." There's always a reason, even if you don't understand what it is. It happens in your home country too.
This isn't home for you, but it is for many of us who have lived here for an extended period of time. If you don't like it here or can't be bothered to acquire the comforts you're used to, I'm at a loss as to why you'd stay. You don't need to try to convince everyone else to hate it too.
I don't think your depiction of life in Vietnam is very realistic. It might be accurate for someone who doesn't try to learn a little bit of the language, learn the culture, learn how the infrastructure works, befriend locals, or is suffering from negative culture shock, but for those that have learned these things we can walk outside and find all the creature comforts you seem to be missing with relative ease. |
Yes many of those things can be found. For a price assuming it is the real thing and not some knock off. Buffalo meat burgers are not NA hamburgers. Pasta sauce made with a mayonnaise concoction is not NA pasta sauce. Sitting in a small, narrow, lightly padded, wooden chairs, eating sugared, buttered popcorn is also not my typical movie theatre experience from home. The electricity going off as it has three times in the past 10 days is not what I experienced back home. Knowing why would be nice but in the end it's irrelevant. The power going off is very inconvenient and initially upsetting if one is engaged in working on the PC or even playing a game or watching TV. This does not happen back home.
You can overcome these obstacles but as you've said it is quite outside the pay of a typical EFL'er. It may be worth the cost to buy a generator, spend $50 per or so to probably get an authentic western cuisine main course, buy a water filter to use tap water for something other than bathing, install a device for hot water, buy nice, new furniture that isn't just unpadded wood or cheap pressboard which disintegrates in the humidity, purchase electronic goods that don't fail within weeks, living in a place with a separate bedroom, equipped kitchen and private bath etc.
Learning the language so you really know what your neighbors and others think of you is small consolation.
If you move to a foreign country because you are enamoured with it and wish to make your last stand there then you can be happy. If you like teaching and traveling then you aren't going to spend on furniture, electronics or other creature comforts that you take for granted back home. Like electricity and hot water.
The disagreement isn't about VN or any other country, it's about career goals and motivation. If you want to spend your life here you can and you'll probably make a good life for yourself in the manner you expect according to best wages you can earn. If you're just passing through or haven't made that huge decision then no, absolutely this place and others is not like home. Apples and oranges.
What's unrealistic is suggesting to newbs with difficulties in their own country that coming here is just like home but cheaper. Easy work that's easy to find and you can live like a king. That is utter nonsence just as glossing over the reality of an uncertain supply of hot water, electricity and wages.
BTW if I said that running in front of a speeding car would kill you, that doesn't mean I'm dead. So please don't assume that I am explicitly describing my life here or my feelings about living here. That is just simply an ad hominem attack no matter how it's dressed up. It's a disservice to readers of these boards IMHO. |
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