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Gerund and Infinitive
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear AGoodStory,


"I agree with Phil that this is a different use of the infinitive."

Different use - same infinitive.


"And part of the description of "infinitive" is that it:

"comes after a specific group of verbs that express intent or possibility about a future event."

He stopped to smoke - and you seem to imply that this does NOT express
intent or possibility about a future event."


By the way, " . . . you seem to imply that this does NOT express . . ."

does the infinitive "to imply" (above) express intent or possibility about future event?

Regards,
John
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dshear ZhohnShlat hic!

I wansh to drink hic! to yer health hic! Thash thee inteshin anyway hic! Nosh so shure about tshhe fushure hic!

Ssss hic!
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sasha,

Why, thank you - it's refreshing to have a sober appraisal of the question.

Cheers,
John
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Razz Hic!




Hic!

















Hic!






































Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sasha,

"Good night, sweet prince. And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest."

Regards,
John
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Menino80



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are only a handful of verbs where switching from gerund to infinitive changes the meaning (stop, forget, remember drinking v.stop to, remember to, forget to drink). otherwise the meanings are interchangeable in standard american english (as for ye island fold i have no clue).
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hic! Oooofff! plink plink fizzz..

Where am I? I don't remember getting here. Did I remember or get first? Which has more emotional strength?


Hic! I must try not to drink so much. I must try not drinking so much. Is there any semantic difference? .... .... eeewwweeehhh!

That's enough. Need some hair of the dog that bit me. I need to drink. I like to drink. That has a lot of emotional force. I like drinking...



Hic!



Who are you?



Who am I? I have forgotten getting here...hic...
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sasha,

Being or nor being, that is the question.

Your answer, please.

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John
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hic, where's the question there? Thohic!ught that was the answer...
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start to drink or start drinking... Surprised





....continue to drink or continue drinking Rolling Eyes



start to answer or start answering.... Shocked Cool
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am starting thinking you should start to drink too. Then you'd be easy to bear...
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beat you to it, been drinking tea for years.... Cool
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Not helping. You need something stiffer.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Grammar I feel a bit llike Lord Palmerston (or was it Disraeli) on the Schleswig-Holstein Question.

"Three men understood this. One is dead, one is mad and I have forgotten the wanswer."
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's be fair about this. I support the right for everyone to have his opinion...as long as it's the same as my opinion.

What's the best Polish vodka, Sasha? I'll be in Poland by this time next week.
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