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Isla Guapa
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English teacher with all the qualification you could wish for and a native speaker with a tefl cert, ink still wet, is also a no-brainer. |
I know and I hate that. Something I constantly butt heads with my boss about. I have gotten resumes from some non-native speakers who would have been great teachers, but he refuses to hire them, though, ironically HE is a non�native speaker himself. I think he might be coming around, though, |
Let's keep in mind that there are many Mexican English teachers who can barely carry on a conversation in the language they profess to be able to teach. That could be one reason why many schools are reluctant to hire any of them. It's just easier to require that all teachers hired be native speakers and leave it at that. |
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Enchilada Potosina
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| It's just easier to require that all teachers hired be native speakers and leave it at that. |
But not legal... I agree, most have horrendous English but it's not fair on those that are truly bilingual but have Mexican names. I once heard a Mexican language school coordinator say ��Como crees que voy a mandar a un p*nche mexicano a dar clase en la zona industrial?!
Due to the lack of foreigners in SLP (aforementioned selection of some of crappiest and shadiest language schools in Mexico), schools have had to hire non-native speakers. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| It's just easier to require that all teachers hired be native speakers and leave it at that. |
But not legal... I agree, most have horrendous English but it's not fair on those that are truly bilingual but have Mexican names. I once heard a Mexican language school coordinator say ��Como crees que voy a mandar a un p*nche mexicano a dar clase en la zona industrial?!
Due to the lack of foreigners in SLP (aforementioned selection of some of crappiest and shadiest language schools in Mexico), schools have had to hire non-native speakers. |
I'm curious. Why isn't it legal to require that an English teacher a school hires be a native speaker? Of course, this attitude is not fair to those Mexicans who speak the language well or are bilingual or native speakers with Spanish names. That language school coordinator sounds like a real idiot. Kind of a linguistic racist, if that's possible. Talk about self-hatred, or maybe he used p*nche in an affectionate joking way  . |
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Samantha
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| Because the law says no more than 10% of staff is permitted to be foreign workers, whether from Canada, or from Argentina. |
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TeresaLopez
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
Let's keep in mind that there are many Mexican English teachers who can barely carry on a conversation in the language they profess to be able to teach. That could be one reason why many schools are reluctant to hire any of them. It's just easier to require that all teachers hired be native speakers and leave it at that. |
Yes, true enough, but I have bet more than a few who are quite fluent and very good teachers, probably better than a lot of native speakers. The least a school could do is hire on a case by case basis. |
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Enchilada Potosina
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| That language school coordinator sounds like a real idiot. Kind of a linguistic racist, if that's possible. Talk about self-hatred, or maybe he used p*nche in an affectionate joking way . |
Unfortunately she was serious... I have actually asked a lot of students in company classes if they'd mind having a Mexican teacher. Not one said a flat-out no, in fact most said they wouldn't mind as long as the teacher spoke good English. I was surprised. If you work in a few language schools here you get the idea that companies only want native speakers (preferably hot and blonde) as teachers but I don't think it's the case. They want good teachers. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Because the law says no more than 10% of staff is permitted to be foreign workers, whether from Canada, or from Argentina. |
Thanks for reminding me about that law, Samantha. I wonder how many schools follow that law to the letter. |
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Isla Guapa
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Let's keep in mind that there are many Mexican English teachers who can barely carry on a conversation in the language they profess to be able to teach. That could be one reason why many schools are reluctant to hire any of them. It's just easier to require that all teachers hired be native speakers and leave it at that. |
Yes, true enough, but I have bet more than a few who are quite fluent and very good teachers, probably better than a lot of native speakers. The least a school could do is hire on a case by case basis. |
I agree. I wonder why they don't. This is a guess on my part, but as a strong selling point, don't a lot of schools advertise that they are staffed with native-speaker teachers? |
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Isla Guapa
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| That language school coordinator sounds like a real idiot. Kind of a linguistic racist, if that's possible. Talk about self-hatred, or maybe he used p*nche in an affectionate joking way . |
Unfortunately she was serious... I have actually asked a lot of students in company classes if they'd mind having a Mexican teacher. Not one said a flat-out no, in fact most said they wouldn't mind as long as the teacher spoke good English. I was surprised. If you work in a few language schools here you get the idea that companies only want native speakers (preferably hot and blonde) as teachers but I don't think it's the case. They want good teachers. |
Maybe it's not the companies that want hot, blonde teachers but the owners of the language schools though that might not be the case with the female coordinator you mention above. Or maybe the owners of the companies want them but not necessarily the students. By the way, I think the blonde factor is vastly overrated. When I was a sweet young thing in my twenties looking for work here, I was never turned down for a job because my hair was dark brown, not blonde. |
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Samantha
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| This is a guess on my part, but as a strong selling point, don't a lot of schools advertise that they are staffed with native-speaker teachers? |
No. It's not important in my area, it seems. Most English teachers are Mexican here. Lots of reasons for that.
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Enchilada Potosina
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| TeresaLopez wrote: |
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Let's keep in mind that there are many Mexican English teachers who can barely carry on a conversation in the language they profess to be able to teach. That could be one reason why many schools are reluctant to hire any of them. It's just easier to require that all teachers hired be native speakers and leave it at that. |
Yes, true enough, but I have bet more than a few who are quite fluent and very good teachers, probably better than a lot of native speakers. The least a school could do is hire on a case by case basis. |
I agree. I wonder why they don't. This is a guess on my part, but as a strong selling point, don't a lot of schools advertise that they are staffed with native-speaker teachers? |
Yes, as unfortunately Mexicans still equate the term 'native speaker' with 'good language teacher', and thanks to malinchismo language schools can still milk it for all it's worth. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| TeresaLopez wrote: |
| Isla Guapa wrote: |
Let's keep in mind that there are many Mexican English teachers who can barely carry on a conversation in the language they profess to be able to teach. That could be one reason why many schools are reluctant to hire any of them. It's just easier to require that all teachers hired be native speakers and leave it at that. |
Yes, true enough, but I have bet more than a few who are quite fluent and very good teachers, probably better than a lot of native speakers. The least a school could do is hire on a case by case basis. |
I agree. I wonder why they don't. This is a guess on my part, but as a strong selling point, don't a lot of schools advertise that they are staffed with native-speaker teachers? |
Yes, as unfortunately Mexicans still equate the term 'native speaker' with 'good language teacher', and thanks to malinchismo language schools can still milk it for all it's worth. |
I wonder if the schools that advertise all native-speaker teachers have a way of getting around the law that Samantha mentioned. |
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Enchilada Potosina
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| TeresaLopez wrote: |
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Let's keep in mind that there are many Mexican English teachers who can barely carry on a conversation in the language they profess to be able to teach. That could be one reason why many schools are reluctant to hire any of them. It's just easier to require that all teachers hired be native speakers and leave it at that. |
Yes, true enough, but I have bet more than a few who are quite fluent and very good teachers, probably better than a lot of native speakers. The least a school could do is hire on a case by case basis. |
I agree. I wonder why they don't. This is a guess on my part, but as a strong selling point, don't a lot of schools advertise that they are staffed with native-speaker teachers? |
Yes, as unfortunately Mexicans still equate the term 'native speaker' with 'good language teacher', and thanks to malinchismo language schools can still milk it for all it's worth. |
I wonder if the schools that advertise all native-speaker teachers have a way of getting around the law that Samantha mentioned. |
Well, you know Mexico, tons of laws but nobody around to enforce them... |
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Samantha
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| Of course they have a way of getting around the law. They ignore it. (Unless INM is called with a complaint, then things change) Flash back to the many discussions here. LOL |
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Prof.Gringo
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Isla wrote:
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| This is a guess on my part, but as a strong selling point, don't a lot of schools advertise that they are staffed with native-speaker teachers? |
No. It's not important in my area, it seems. Most English teachers are Mexican here. Lots of reasons for that. |
Low wages don't do much to attract long-term native speaker EFL pro's |
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