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scot47
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veiledsentiments
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As is usually the case, the problems often tend to come up when people get in the middle of a collapsing marriage... even unintentionally. Another complication was that one of the individuals was not a Westerner.
Many don't realize that the Gulf liquor license is required for not only purchasing booze, but drinking it. Public servers in hotels and clubs are supposed to check your license before serving... but they rarely do.
As with those that often ask on here whether they can bring their significant other without marriage and live together. The fact is that many get away with it, but all you need is for something like this to happen. A neighbor or mate from work or anyone can turn you in and the laws will be enforced.
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Geronimo
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boyscout
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| You can hardly blame the victim. Let's get things in perspective. She was only having a drink. It could have happened to any of us. |
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veiledsentiments
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| boyscout wrote: |
| You can hardly blame the victim. Let's get things in perspective. She was only having a drink. It could have happened to any of us. |
One wonders if she was aware of the laws... and if she wasn't, why not? She must have been aware of his split with his wife.
My common sense would tell me not to be in his flat without other people around... in particular because he was Arab and most likely Muslim. But, I suspect that it requires a year or two or three to learn the necessary level of paranoia.
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boyscout
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
One wonders if she was aware of the laws... and if she wasn't, why not? She must have been aware of his split with his wife. VS |
A number of assumptions here VS. |
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helenl
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| The laws are pretty transparent. Enforcement is not always. However, the rule of thumb is that police WILL act on a complaint - this lady got caught not because of intent but of circumstance. Unfortunately, this won't matter to the authorities. |
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veiledsentiments
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| boyscout wrote: |
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One wonders if she was aware of the laws... and if she wasn't, why not? She must have been aware of his split with his wife. VS |
A number of assumptions here VS. |
I notice that you are male... assuming that your screen name is accurate. Your comments reflect a lack of realization that things are VERY different for females in the Gulf.
Mature adult females had better know how to protect themselves or they can get into situations like this - ignorance of the law doesn't get us out of punishment in our home countries either.
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boyscout
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It was just your last comment VS, that puzzles me, where you stated that the woman in question must have been aware that he, the husband had recently split from his wife.
How would she or could she have known that?
Could you expand on this point a little more?
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abayababy
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| But, I suspect that it requires a year or two or three to learn the necessary level of paranoia |
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I like this statement. So true on many levels. May I borrow it?  |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| abayababy wrote: |
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| But, I suspect that it requires a year or two or three to learn the necessary level of paranoia |
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I like this statement. So true on many levels. May I borrow it? |
Of course... wait a few months and I will have forgotten that it was mine. 
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| How would she or could she have known that? |
Have you ever worked in the Gulf?  There are no secrets as gossip is king in every EFL dept that I encountered over the years. After reading the articles my question would be how could she not have known...
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crewmeal1
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Slightly off topic but years ago when I went to work in Syria I was briefed about the lifestyle, culture and rules. The manager at the time said that don't be suprised if you find many Syrians supported Hitler and the holocaust. Whatever you do don't disagree or else you'll find yourself in trouble. Sure enough 2 of my 'advanced' students asked me in class about my opinion on the holecaust. All I said was it was wrong for another country to steal another's land. I became their best friend after that. I feel if I wasn't warned I may have said something different and lived to regret it.
The point I'm trying to make is to wise up before going to work in any Country. |
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jaffa
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2 of my 'advanced' students asked me in class about my opinion on the holecaust. All I said was it was wrong for another country to steal another's land....
... The point I'm trying to make is to wise up before going to work in any Country. |
The holocaust isn't a laughing matter, but this post is. |
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boyscout
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| Even if it means lying to yourself? I guess to be a successful EFL teacher in the Gulf, you have to have the ability to lie, to hide and to deceive. What does it really say about ourselves then? Very sad. |
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veiledsentiments
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It isn't difficult to find people with unacceptable beliefs in my own country. (even those who disbelieve in history) Why should I be surprised to find them in another country? I have long ago given up on the ignorant in the US as facts will never faze their prejudices. Why should I think it's any different in another country?
I was hired to teach English... not my beliefs. I long ago became mature enough to realize that the world will not change for me and if I wanted to keep my job, I better stick to teaching English.
Those who think it "sad" are free to believe that, but should perhaps go back home and clean up their own cultures...
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