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psychedelicacy
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 Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:57 pm Post subject: Apostille validity - how long? |
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| How long do the Saudi authorities consider an apostille (i.e., a certificate notarised by a lawyer and attested by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office) valid for? My CELTA was attested, like so, in 2013. In the UK, that's considered valid indefinitely. But what is Saudi Arabia's view? Can't find anything online. Thank you. |
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nomad soul
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Arenta
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Apostille validity - how long? |
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| psychedelicacy wrote: |
| How long do the Saudi authorities consider an apostille (i.e., a certificate notarised by a lawyer and attested by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office) valid for? My CELTA was attested, like so, in 2013. In the UK, that's considered valid indefinitely. But what is Saudi Arabia's view? Can't find anything online. Thank you. |
I've never heard of an expiry date for an apostille  Are you sure there is one? It seems pointless that it would be so since the apositlle is issued by a national government which takes seniority over a company issuing a certificate to say the apostille is genuine. It would be in effect the company which is in a less authoritative position stating the authoritative government apostille is genuine ! Totally illogical. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Logic ? I suggest a good read of "Alice in Wonderland" if you want to prepare for the Middle Eayt. |
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Arenta
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| Logic ? I suggest a good read of "Alice in Wonderland" if you want to prepare for the Middle Eayt. |
I know what they're like in the Middle East but even so, it doesn't make sense for them to expect a less senior organization to verify the apostille of a national government. I can't see this being the case. So, have you ever heard of this then? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Arenta wrote: |
It seems pointless that it would be so since the apositlle is issued by a national government which takes seniority over a company issuing a certificate to say the apostille is genuine. It would be in effect the company which is in a less authoritative position stating the authoritative government apostille is genuine ! Totally illogical.
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It doesn't make sense for them to expect a less senior organization to verify the apostille of a national government. I can't see this being the case. So, have you ever heard of this then? |
Cambridge English doesn't "verify the apostille". Don't get confused with validate and authenticate; they don't mean the same thing in regard to documents. As the administrator and issuer of the CELTA, a certifying statement is an official document from Cambridge English that confirms that the cert holder's exam result (the content) is valid.
CELTA and Delta holders can email Cambridge English at [email protected] to ask about obtaining a certifying statement for submission to the SACB (or SACM for US citizens). Cambridge is apparently familiar with the process.
Hopefully, CELTA holders who have recently gone through the process for KSA will post their experience.
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currentaffairs
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| There was no certifying statement needed for my Trinity cert. I doubt it is needed for the SACB visa process in London. |
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nomad soul
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Yet, per the 2016 link in my initial post, that visa applicant apparently was required to have his CELTA validated by Cambridge. I recall other similar threads from last year. Perhaps it's a requirement for those who are qualifying for their employment/work visa with an unrelated degree. I'm just guessing. 
The SACB's page on attestation states:
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Non-Saudi Applicants
Guidelines
SACB will ONLY attest academic certificates
Experience letters, training certificates, membership and fellowship certificates will not be attested
Certificates must be issued by an accredited UK institution
Applications must not include online modules
Applications must include clear-coloured scanned copies of all required documents
Applications will be rejected in the following instances:
Unclear copies of required documents
Distance learning (applicant didn’t study in the UK)
Online modules (applicant studied online modules)
Name on the certificate differs from the name in the passport (unless a legalised change of name certificate is provided with the passport)
Application is issued by university/institution which is not recognised by the UK authorities as a UK university/institution with UK degree awarding powers
Source: http://attestation.uksacb.org/
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Arenta
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
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It seems pointless that it would be so since the apositlle is issued by a national government which takes seniority over a company issuing a certificate to say the apostille is genuine. It would be in effect the company which is in a less authoritative position stating the authoritative government apostille is genuine ! Totally illogical.
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It doesn't make sense for them to expect a less senior organization to verify the apostille of a national government. I can't see this being the case. So, have you ever heard of this then? |
Cambridge English doesn't "verify the apostille". Don't get confused with validate and authenticate; they don't mean the same thing in regard to documents. As the administrator and issuer of the CELTA, a certifying statement is an official document from Cambridge English that confirms that the cert holder's exam result (the content) is valid.
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I see that the person I addressed the question to hasn't heard of this either.
I'm not confused between validate and authenticate. The OP is asking if there is an expiry date of an apostille. This is what I am addressing. Not authentication or validation, only expiry of apostille which the OP asked about. It's obvious no one else has heard of this either. |
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Arenta
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
Yet, per the 2016 link in my initial post, that visa applicant apparently was required to have his CELTA validated by Cambridge.
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The OP is asking about the time validity of his/her CELTA after it has been apositlled and attested by the UK government, only that, nothing else. This would not have been done unless it was validated by Cambridge at the request of the government department. It is the government department which is senior, not Cambridge. I think it's clear now that there is no expiry date on a government apostille. To have such an expiry date would be absurd because it would be asking a government department to reconfirm and reconfirm and reconfirm.... something it had already confirmed in the first place ! |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't address expiration; notarizations don't expire. My comments were for CELTA holders in terms of the SACB (UK) and SACM (US) requirements, based on others' past experience. |
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Arenta
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| I didn't address expiration; notarizations don't expire. My comments were for CELTA holders in terms of the SACB (UK) and SACM (US) requirements, based on others' past experience. |
I'm not sure why you brought that up when it wasn't what the OP was asking about. |
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